Animated Series Blu Ray

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by The Warlord, Jan 6, 2019.

  1. The Warlord

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    Hi guys,
    Looking at buying the Blu Ray Animated Series, but I heard there's audio synch issues.
    Could someone shed some light on this issue and any others please?
    Many thanks.
     
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    I have some issues with my copy of The Invaders DVD set but so far have never received a reply from Paramount UK over the net! It's almost as if their mistakes are not worth answering!!!
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  4. ZapBrannigan

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    While I appreciate the work put in by GeekFiler to compare BD vs DVD images in that thread, I have to say that my DVD set looks like his BD image. Nothing in my TAS DVDs is blurry like Spock's face in the posted comparison.

    I'm getting a beautiful, sharp TAS picture on DVD using a plain (non-computer, non-gamer) Bluray player and a 32-inch, 720p flat screen TV.
     
  5. johnnybear

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    I get an excellent picture on my portable TV set which came out in 2000 especially for the three TOS sets and TAS is quite nice too!
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  6. tomswift2002

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    If you have the TOS-R Season 2 set you can test the audio for the Tribbles cartoon on that, since for that episode CBS just ported the entire episode over to the TAS CS Blu Ray. But as far as the audio issue, it seems to be a player software/hardware issue. As I mentioned in the previous thread, for me there is a slight delay going from my PS3 to my audio system by optical TOSLINK, whereas going by HDMI right to my TV, there doesn’t seem to be a delay.
     
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    Actually, the sound mix on the TOS-R season 2 version of More Tribbles, More Troubles is completed enhanced. Sound effects were added to make it "surround." Much like the entire original series was f'ked with. So that's not a good comparison.
     
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  9. tomswift2002

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    He was asking about audio synch issues, not the mix. The Tribbles TAS episode on the TOS-R blu-Ray is the same as the one on the TAS Complete Blu-Ray, as CBS just ported the 2006 HD Remaster over from the TOS-R set.
     
  10. Ssosmcin

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    I realize that, but he said the episode was "just ported over." Which I took to mean it was just simply moved over without change. Since the sound is actually what is in question, mentioning a change in the sound mix seemed worth pointing out since it's not the same version as on the Blu Ray set. Take the info as you will. :)
     
  11. tomswift2002

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    What change in the mix? As far as I’m aware both Blu-Ray mixes are the 5.1 mixes from the DVD with the only change being that instead of Dolby Digital 5.1, the Blu-Rays are in 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio, with the mono tracks being 192kbs 2.0 Dolby Digital on all three formats.
     
  12. Ssosmcin

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    Sound effects were added to the episode when it was included on the original series set. These were, thankfully, not included in the TOS-A set.
     
  13. tomswift2002

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    What sound effects? I think you need to get your ears checked! It's the same 5.1 mix from the DVD set and the TAS Blu-Ray! I've got the TOS Season 2 Blu-Ray on right now, and I just listened to the TAS Blu-Ray before, its the same mix. The only thing that wasn't ported over from the DVD was the English Mono track (although it does have the Mono Spanish and French tracks, also with the DS9 Tribbles episode, only the 5.1 and Spanishi/French 2.0 Surround mixes were ported over). The only difference between the DVD and Blu-Ray mixes is that on DVD the 5.1 tracks are encoded at 448 kbps Dolby Digital, which is lossy and highly compressed, where as the Blu-Rays use lossless DTS-HD 5.1 at 1.5Mbps, which gives more dynamic range for the sounds.

    Now then, across all 3 sets, the Mono Tracks on the episode are encoded as Dolby Digital 2.0 192kbps, which is extremely lossy and really compresses the dynamic range (by analogy, DD 2.0 192kbps would be like the Linear Audio Track on a VHS or Betamax, acceptable, but not as good the Hi-Fi tracks in terms of Dynamic Range).
     
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  14. johnnybear

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    Surely the most important point here is that Paramount/CBS cannot make a product without a fault! Here we are today with people shouting the preferences of Blu over DVD and yet we end up with a fault here or there from a technology that should be perfected at this stage! At least the majority of DVDs have no faults today (The UK version of The Invaders not mentioned) :brickwall:
    JB