Alternate Universes in TOS

[MAGolding]

This is a sort of a reply to post number 5375 in the thread: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/what-are-your-controversial-star-trek-opinions.304751/page-269

It is my belief that the only logical way to look at highly episodic and non serialzed tv series, such as the earlier Star Trek tv shows, is to picture every single episode, except for episodes which are clearly prequels and sequals to eachother, happens in an alternate universe of its their own, separate from the alternate universes of every other episode. The pilot episode and/or the first episode, dempinding on how much tey set up the preimise of the show, might be prequels to all other episodes. Thus each episode would then exist in a separate alternate universe with itself and only the pilot episode, except for the few episodes which would be sequels to one episode, which would exist in 3 epsisode alernate universes.

I watched a number of episodes from old western shows from the 1950s and 1960s a few years ago and noticed how little continutity and serialization they, and presumably other tv shows of the period, had.

Episodes of Stories of the Century and Tales of Wells Fargo had their protagonists take part in events decades apart without aging noticably. One episode of Tales of Wells Fargo had to happen both before 1861 and after 1879, which would be imposible.

The dates when given in various Maverick episodes do not get later in later episodes, but instead jump around in time within seasons and between seasons. The creators of Maverick didn't bother to give episodes fictional dates consistent with the order in which they were produced or broadcast. Considering how few railroad there were in the west and how slow travel was during the 1870s, I find it hard to believe that the Mavericks could have traveled to all the widely separated places they visited without seeming to age a lot more.

I once read that there are date contradictions in Have Gun, Will Travel. Gene L. Coon wrote for Maverick and Have Gun, Will Travel, and Gene Roddenberry wrote for Have Gun, Will Travel. And I don't think that the crime shows, dramas. medical shows, sitcoms, etc. they wrote for paid much more attention to chronology and continuiity.

So I think that we should assume that most tv shows, except for serialized ones, happen in a number of alternate universes. Most episodes may happen in alternate universe all to themselves, or with the pilot episode if any, and only a few episodes will be sequels and prequels to each other and happen in the same universe.

TOS actually had more continuity than most shows in its era, but far too little for any one to assume that every TOS episode happens in the same alternate universe.

Examples of TOS episodes being sequels to other episodes, except maybe for the pilots "the Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" are far and few between.

iIn the last episode "Turnabout Intruder" Kirk in the body of Dr. Lester mentioned events "The Tholian Web" and "The Empath" making Turnabout Intruder" a sequel to those episode.

In "By Any Other Name" events in "A Taste of Armageddon" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" are mentioned, though it is possible that all TOS episodes are sequels to "Where No Man Has Gone Before" anyway.

I note that what later became known as the Vulcan Mind Meldt was first introduced in "Dagger of the Mind". But the way Spock talked about it in "A Taste of Armageddon" hinted that it might not be a sequel to "Dagger of the Mind". So possibly Dagger of the Mind" happens in an alternate universe to "A Taste of Armageddon" and "By Any Other Name". And other Vulcan MInd Meldepisodes might be sequels to either "Dagger of the Mind" or A Taste of Armageddon" or neither.

In "That Which Survives" events in "The Devil in the Dark" are mentioned.

"I, Mudd" is a sequel to "Mudd's Women". Chekov doesn't know about Harry Mudd in "I, Mudd", but does know about corbomite from "The Corbomite Maneuver" in "The Deadly Years", which is probably a sequel to " Balance of Terror". Star trek II: The Wrath of Khan apparently shows that checkov met Khan offscreen during "Space Seed" (Khan was a man from centuries ago, so everyone would want to meet him). Depending on the relative dating of "Mudd's Women", and "The Corbomite "maneuver", some people might speculate that "I, Mudd" & "Mudd's Women" happpen in a different alternate universe than "The Corbomite Maneuver', "Balance of Terror", "Space Seed'", and "The Deadly Years", with Chekov joining the crew at different times.

And there are complex chronological problems with "Balance of Terror", "Space Seed', Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and Star trek V: The Final Frontier, and one solution would be if Balance of Terror" and "Space Seed', are in alternate universes.

Thus one might specfulate that the alternate universe of "I, Mudd" & "Mudd's Women" branches off from the alternate universe of "The Corbomite Maneuver', which later, after "The Corbomite Maneuver", branches off into an alternate universe with "Balance of Terror" and "the Deadly Years" and another alternate universe with "Space Seed', Star trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and Star trek V: The Final Frontier,

A Klingon-Federation war erupts in "Errand of Mercy", but the Organians enforce peace at the end. "The Trouble With Tribbles" memtions the Organian Peace Treaty so is probably a sequel to "Errand of Mercy". A Klingon treaty is mentioned in "A Private little War" and in "Day of the Dove", so they might also be sequels to."Errand of Mercy". Other Klingon episodes like "Friday's Child" and "Elain of Troyius" might be sequels to "Errand of Mercy" or happen in alternate universes wherre the Klingon War never started.

Star Trek: The Animated Series had several sequels to TOS episodes.

"One of Our Planets is MIssing " may be a sequel to "The Ultimate Computer".

"More Tibbles, More Troubles" is a sequel to "The Trouble With Tribbles".

"Once Upon a Planet" is a sequel to "Shore Leave".

"Mudd's Passion" is a sequel to "Mudd's Women", and "I, Mudd".

"The Time Trap" features Klingon Commander Kor, and so may be a sequel to "Errand of Mercy".

In "The Survivor" the Romulan Commander tells Kirk:

ROMULAN [on viewscreen]: You appear to have a propensity for trespassing in the Neutral Zone, Captain Kirk.

So maybe "The Survivor" is a sequel to the animated episode "The Practical Joker" - even though "The Practical Joker" was broadcast after "The Survivor". Maybe "The Survivor" was a sequal to one or more TOS episodes where the Enterprise entered the Neutral Zone like "The Deadly Years", "The Enterprise Incident", and "The Way to Eden".

The main set of TOS episodes whch are sequels to others can be deduced from episodes of TNG, DS9, and VOY which are sequels to TOS movies and episodes.

Every other TNG epsisode should be a sequel to "Encounter at Farpoint". Every DS9 episode should be a sequel to "Emissary". Since "Emissary" is a sequel to the TNG episodes "The Best of Both Worlds" and "The Best of Both Worlds Part 2", all DS9 episodes are sequels to "Encounter at Farpoint" and "The Best of Both Worlds" and "The Best of Both Worlds Part 2". All VOY episodes should be sequels to "Caretaker". Since "Caretaker" is a sequel to "Emissary", all VOY episodes must be sequels to "Emissary", "Encounter at Farpoint", and "The Best of Both Worlds" and "The Best of Both Worlds Part 2".

So all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes should be sequels to "Encounter at Farpoint". If any TNG, DS9, or VOY episode is a sequel to a TOS episode or movie, "Encounter at Farpoint" must be a sequel to that TOS episode or movie. And thus every episode of TNG, DS9, and VOY must be a sequel to that TOS episode or movie.

The VOY episode "Flashback" was a sequel to Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country, thus making every TNG, DS9, & VOY episode a sequel to Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country.

In Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country someone says "We're dead" and Spock says "I've been dead before".

And that seems like a clear reference to the events of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock , and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. Thus Star Trek VI seems like a clear sequel to Star Trek II, Star Trek III, and Star Trek IV.

In Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country Chang says that Kirk was demoted from admiral to captain, which seems like a clear reference to Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, making Star Trek VI a sequel to Star Trek IV.

In Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Kirk says that he lost a brother once. And the first time they hear that, all fans of TOS naturally assume that Kirk is talking about the death of Sam Kirk in "Operation - Annihilate!" but Kirk continues to say he was lucky and got his brother back. And that should be a reference to the events of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock , and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

So "Encounter at Farpoint" and all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes should be sequels to the movie sequence of Star Trek II, Star Trek III, and Star Trek IV. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier also seems like a sequel to Star Trek II, Star Trek III, and Star Trek IV. But it is uncertain whether Star Trek V: The Final Frontier happens in the same alternate universe as Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country and thus in the same universe as all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes.

And it is possible that Kirk's statement in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier means the film is also a sequel to "Operation - Annihilate!", which would make Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and all episodes of TNG, DS9, and VOY sequels to "Operation - Annihilate!".

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is obviously a sequel to "Space Seed", making all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes sequels to "Space Seed", as well as possibly sequels to "Operation - Annihilate!".

Earlier in this post, I discussed possible relationships of "Space Seed" with other TOS episodes and movies.

Thus one might speculate that the alternate universe of "I, Mudd" & "Mudd's Women" branches off from the alternate universe of "The Corbomite Maneuver', which later, after "The Corbomite Maneuver", branches off into an alternate universe with "Balance of Terror" and "the Deadly Years" and another alternate universe with "Space Seed', Star trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and Star trek V: The Final Frontier,

So it is possible that "Space Seed" is a sequel to "The Corbomite Maneuver" but not a sequel to "I, Mudd" & "Mudd's Women" or to "Balance of Terror" and "the Deadly Years", and thus that the same would be true for all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes.

The TNG episodes "Unification part 1" and Unification part 2" also mention the Khitomer Conference in Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country, thus also making all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes sequels to "Space Seed" and possibly to "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

The DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations" is a sequel to "The Trouble With Tribbles" which is a sequel to "Errand of Mercy". Events in "Arena" are also mentioned. Thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "Arena", "Errand of Mercy", and "The Trouble with Tribbles", as well as "Space Seed" and possibly "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

In the TNG episode "Relics" Scott mentions events from "The Naked Time", "Wolf in the Fold", and "Elaan of Troyius", thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "The Naked Time", "Wolf in the Fold", and "Elaan of Troyius" as well as "Arena", "Errand of Mercy", "The Trouble with Tribbles", "Space Seed" and possibly "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

The TNG epiosode "The Naked Now" is also a sequel to "The Naked Time".

The DS9 episodes "Crossover', "Through the looking Glass", "Shattered Mirror", Resurrection", and "The Emperor's New Clak" are all sequels to the TOS episode Mirror, Mirror", thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "Mirror, Mirror" as well as sequels to "The Naked Time", "Wolf in the Fold", "Elaan of Troyius", "Arena", "Errand of Mercy", "The Trouble with Tribbles", and "Space Seed", and possibly "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

Therefore all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to (in no particular order):

1) "The Naked Time"
2) "Arena"
3) "Errand of Mercy"
4) "Space Seed"
5) "Mirror, Mirror"
6) "Wolf in the Fold"
7) "The Trouble with Tribbles"
8) "Elaan of Troyius"
9) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
10) Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
11) Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
12) Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country

And maybe all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

And it is possible that all TOS episodes, and thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes, are sequels to the TOS pilots "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone before".

So the TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to 8 TOS episodes, and possibly sequels to another 4 TOS episodes,and they are sequels to 4 TOS movies.

It is possible that the TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to other TOS epsodes and movies. But considering all the dangers that Kirk & Co. face in those 12 to 16 TOS productions, and their extremely small statistically probability of surviving so many dangers, I see no reason to put them into even greater dangers in the alternate universe of "Encounter at Farpoint" by adding more TOS episodes and movies to that particular alternate universe.

The Short Treks episode "Ephraim and Dot" has scenes from many TOS episodes. They appear in the order:

1) "Space Seed"
2) "The Trouble With Tribbles"
3) "The Naked Time"
4) "Who Mourns for Adonais?"
5) "The Doomsday Machine"
6) "The Tholian Web"
7) "The Savage Curtain"
8) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
9) Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

So in a Star Trek canon that includes "Ephraim and Dot", and when those episodes happen in the order they were shown in "Ephraim and Dot" instead of production order, stardate order, or airdate order, "Encounterat Fairpoint" and all the TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes would be sequels to

1) "Space Seed"
?) "Errand of Mercy"
2) "The Trouble With Tribbles"
3) "The Naked Time"
?) "Arena"
4) "Who Mourns for Adonais?"
5) "The Doomsday Machine"
?) "Mirror, Mirror"
?) "Wolf in the Fold"
?) "Elaan of Troyius"
6) "The Tholian Web"
7) "The Savage Curtain"
8) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
9) Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
10) Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
11) Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country

And possibly also one or more of: The Cage", "Where No Man Has Gone before", "The Corbomite Maneuver", & "Operation - Annihilate!".

So that would make Kirk & Co.have to survive the dangers in 16 to 20 TOS episodes and movies in the alternate universe including "Encounter at Farpoint" and thus in each of the countless alternate universes of various TNG, DS(, and VOY episodes branching off from "Encounter at Farpoint". And I see no eason to make their survival even more improbable by putting more TOS productions into the same alternate universe.

 

[Spock's Barber]

That’s the second longest post I’ve ever seen.

 

[1001001]

It is my belief that the only logical way to look at highly episodic and non serialzed tv series, such as the earlier Star Trek tv shows, is to picture every single episode, except for episodes which are clearly prequels and sequals to eachother, happens in an alternate universe of its their own, separate from the alternate universes of every other episode.

Really?

You've never mentioned it before...

 

[Mudd]

This is a sort of a reply to post number 5375 in the thread: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/what-are-your-controversial-star-trek-opinions.304751/page-269

It is my belief that the only logical way to look at highly episodic and non serialzed tv series, such as the earlier Star Trek tv shows, is to picture every single episode, except for episodes which are clearly prequels and sequals to eachother, happens in an alternate universe of its their own, separate from the alternate universes of every other episode. The pilot episode and/or the first episode, dempinding on how much tey set up the preimise of the show, might be prequels to all other episodes. Thus each episode would then exist in a separate alternate universe with itself and only the pilot episode, except for the few episodes which would be sequels to one episode, which would exist in 3 epsisode alernate universes.

I watched a number of episodes from old western shows from the 1950s and 1960s a few years ago and noticed how little continutity and serialization they, and presumably other tv shows of the period, had.

Episodes of Stories of the Century and Tales of Wells Fargo had their protagonists take part in events decades apart without aging noticably. One episode of Tales of Wells Fargo had to happen both before 1861 and after 1879, which would be imposible.

The dates when given in various Maverick episodes do not get later in later episodes, but instead jump around in time within seasons and between seasons. The creators of Maverick didn't bother to give episodes fictional dates consistent with the order in which they were produced or broadcast. Considering how few railroad there were in the west and how slow travel was during the 1870s, I find it hard to believe that the Mavericks could have traveled to all the widely separated places they visited without seeming to age a lot more.

I once read that there are date contradictions in Have Gun, Will Travel. Gene L. Coon wrote for Maverick and Have Gun, Will Travel, and Gene Roddenberry wrote for Have Gun, Will Travel. And I don't think that the crime shows, dramas. medical shows, sitcoms, etc. they wrote for paid much more attention to chronology and continuiity.

So I think that we should assume that most tv shows, except for serialized ones, happen in a number of alternate universes. Most episodes may happen in alternate universe all to themselves, or with the pilot episode if any, and only a few episodes will be sequels and prequels to each other and happen in the same universe.

TOS actually had more continuity than most shows in its era, but far too little for any one to assume that every TOS episode happens in the same alternate universe.

Examples of TOS episodes being sequels to other episodes, except maybe for the pilots "the Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" are far and few between.

iIn the last episode "Turnabout Intruder" Kirk in the body of Dr. Lester mentioned events "The Tholian Web" and "The Empath" making Turnabout Intruder" a sequel to those episode.

In "By Any Other Name" events in "A Taste of Armageddon" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" are mentioned, though it is possible that all TOS episodes are sequels to "Where No Man Has Gone Before" anyway.

I note that what later became known as the Vulcan Mind Meldt was first introduced in "Dagger of the Mind". But the way Spock talked about it in "A Taste of Armageddon" hinted that it might not be a sequel to "Dagger of the Mind". So possibly Dagger of the Mind" happens in an alternate universe to "A Taste of Armageddon" and "By Any Other Name". And other Vulcan MInd Meldepisodes might be sequels to either "Dagger of the Mind" or A Taste of Armageddon" or neither.

In "That Which Survives" events in "The Devil in the Dark" are mentioned.

"I, Mudd" is a sequel to "Mudd's Women". Chekov doesn't know about Harry Mudd in "I, Mudd", but does know about corbomite from "The Corbomite Maneuver" in "The Deadly Years", which is probably a sequel to " Balance of Terror". Star trek II: The Wrath of Khan apparently shows that checkov met Khan offscreen during "Space Seed" (Khan was a man from centuries ago, so everyone would want to meet him). Depending on the relative dating of "Mudd's Women", and "The Corbomite "maneuver", some people might speculate that "I, Mudd" & "Mudd's Women" happpen in a different alternate universe than "The Corbomite Maneuver', "Balance of Terror", "Space Seed'", and "The Deadly Years", with Chekov joining the crew at different times.

And there are complex chronological problems with "Balance of Terror", "Space Seed', Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and Star trek V: The Final Frontier, and one solution would be if Balance of Terror" and "Space Seed', are in alternate universes.

Thus one might specfulate that the alternate universe of "I, Mudd" & "Mudd's Women" branches off from the alternate universe of "The Corbomite Maneuver', which later, after "The Corbomite Maneuver", branches off into an alternate universe with "Balance of Terror" and "the Deadly Years" and another alternate universe with "Space Seed', Star trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and Star trek V: The Final Frontier,

A Klingon-Federation war erupts in "Errand of Mercy", but the Organians enforce peace at the end. "The Trouble With Tribbles" memtions the Organian Peace Treaty so is probably a sequel to "Errand of Mercy". A Klingon treaty is mentioned in "A Private little War" and in "Day of the Dove", so they might also be sequels to."Errand of Mercy". Other Klingon episodes like "Friday's Child" and "Elain of Troyius" might be sequels to "Errand of Mercy" or happen in alternate universes wherre the Klingon War never started.

Star Trek: The Animated Series had several sequels to TOS episodes.

"One of Our Planets is MIssing " may be a sequel to "The Ultimate Computer".

"More Tibbles, More Troubles" is a sequel to "The Trouble With Tribbles".

"Once Upon a Planet" is a sequel to "Shore Leave".

"Mudd's Passion" is a sequel to "Mudd's Women", and "I, Mudd".

"The Time Trap" features Klingon Commander Kor, and so may be a sequel to "Errand of Mercy".

In "The Survivor" the Romulan Commander tells Kirk:



So maybe "The Survivor" is a sequel to the animated episode "The Practical Joker" - even though "The Practical Joker" was broadcast after "The Survivor". Maybe "The Survivor" was a sequal to one or more TOS episodes where the Enterprise entered the Neutral Zone like "The Deadly Years", "The Enterprise Incident", and "The Way to Eden".

The main set of TOS episodes whch are sequels to others can be deduced from episodes of TNG, DS9, and VOY which are sequels to TOS movies and episodes.

Every other TNG epsisode should be a sequel to "Encounter at Farpoint". Every DS9 episode should be a sequel to "Emissary". Since "Emissary" is a sequel to the TNG episodes "The Best of Both Worlds" and "The Best of Both Worlds Part 2", all DS9 episodes are sequels to "Encounter at Farpoint" and "The Best of Both Worlds" and "The Best of Both Worlds Part 2". All VOY episodes should be sequels to "Caretaker". Since "Caretaker" is a sequel to "Emissary", all VOY episodes must be sequels to "Emissary", "Encounter at Farpoint", and "The Best of Both Worlds" and "The Best of Both Worlds Part 2".

So all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes should be sequels to "Encounter at Farpoint". If any TNG, DS9, or VOY episode is a sequel to a TOS episode or movie, "Encounter at Farpoint" must be a sequel to that TOS episode or movie. And thus every episode of TNG, DS9, and VOY must be a sequel to that TOS episode or movie.

The VOY episode "Flashback" was a sequel to Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country, thus making every TNG, DS9, & VOY episode a sequel to Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country.

In Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country someone says "We're dead" and Spock says "I've been dead before".

And that seems like a clear reference to the events of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock , and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. Thus Star Trek VI seems like a clear sequel to Star Trek II, Star Trek III, and Star Trek IV.

In Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country Chang says that Kirk was demoted from admiral to captain, which seems like a clear reference to Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, making Star Trek VI a sequel to Star Trek IV.

In Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Kirk says that he lost a brother once. And the first time they hear that, all fans of TOS naturally assume that Kirk is talking about the death of Sam Kirk in "Operation - Annihilate!" but Kirk continues to say he was lucky and got his brother back. And that should be a reference to the events of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock , and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

So "Encounter at Farpoint" and all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes should be sequels to the movie sequence of Star Trek II, Star Trek III, and Star Trek IV. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier also seems like a sequel to Star Trek II, Star Trek III, and Star Trek IV. But it is uncertain whether Star Trek V: The Final Frontier happens in the same alternate universe as Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country and thus in the same universe as all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes.

And it is possible that Kirk's statement in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier means the film is also a sequel to "Operation - Annihilate!", which would make Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and all episodes of TNG, DS9, and VOY sequels to "Operation - Annihilate!".

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is obviously a sequel to "Space Seed", making all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes sequels to "Space Seed", as well as possibly sequels to "Operation - Annihilate!".

Earlier in this post, I discussed possible relationships of "Space Seed" with other TOS episodes and movies.



So it is possible that "Space Seed" is a sequel to "The Corbomite Maneuver" but not a sequel to "I, Mudd" & "Mudd's Women" or to "Balance of Terror" and "the Deadly Years", and thus that the same would be true for all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes.

The TNG episodes "Unification part 1" and Unification part 2" also mention the Khitomer Conference in Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country, thus also making all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes sequels to "Space Seed" and possibly to "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

The DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations" is a sequel to "The Trouble With Tribbles" which is a sequel to "Errand of Mercy". Events in "Arena" are also mentioned. Thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "Arena", "Errand of Mercy", and "The Trouble with Tribbles", as well as "Space Seed" and possibly "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

In the TNG episode "Relics" Scott mentions events from "The Naked Time", "Wolf in the Fold", and "Elaan of Troyius", thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "The Naked Time", "Wolf in the Fold", and "Elaan of Troyius" as well as "Arena", "Errand of Mercy", "The Trouble with Tribbles", "Space Seed" and possibly "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

The TNG epiosode "The Naked Now" is also a sequel to "The Naked Time".

The DS9 episodes "Crossover', "Through the looking Glass", "Shattered Mirror", Resurrection", and "The Emperor's New Clak" are all sequels to the TOS episode Mirror, Mirror", thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "Mirror, Mirror" as well as sequels to "The Naked Time", "Wolf in the Fold", "Elaan of Troyius", "Arena", "Errand of Mercy", "The Trouble with Tribbles", and "Space Seed", and possibly "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

Therefore all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to (in no particular order):

1) "The Naked Time"
2) "Arena"
3) "Errand of Mercy"
4) "Space Seed"
5) "Mirror, Mirror"
6) "Wolf in the Fold"
7) "The Trouble with Tribbles"
8) "Elaan of Troyius"
9) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
10) Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
11) Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
12) Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country

And maybe all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

And it is possible that all TOS episodes, and thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes, are sequels to the TOS pilots "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone before".

So the TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to 8 TOS episodes, and possibly sequels to another 4 TOS episodes,and they are sequels to 4 TOS movies.

It is possible that the TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to other TOS epsodes and movies. But considering all the dangers that Kirk & Co. face in those 12 to 16 TOS productions, and their extremely small statistically probability of surviving so many dangers, I see no reason to put them into even greater dangers in the alternate universe of "Encounter at Farpoint" by adding more TOS episodes and movies to that particular alternate universe.

The Short Treks episode "Ephraim and Dot" has scenes from many TOS episodes. They appear in the order:

1) "Space Seed"
2) "The Trouble With Tribbles"
3) "The Naked Time"
4) "Who Mourns for Adonais?"
5) "The Doomsday Machine"
6) "The Tholian Web"
7) "The Savage Curtain"
8) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
9) Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

So in a Star Trek canon that includes "Ephraim and Dot", and when those episodes happen in the order they were shown in "Ephraim and Dot" instead of production order, stardate order, or airdate order, "Encounterat Fairpoint" and all the TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes would be sequels to

1) "Space Seed"
?) "Errand of Mercy"
2) "The Trouble With Tribbles"
3) "The Naked Time"
?) "Arena"
4) "Who Mourns for Adonais?"
5) "The Doomsday Machine"
?) "Mirror, Mirror"
?) "Wolf in the Fold"
?) "Elaan of Troyius"
6) "The Tholian Web"
7) "The Savage Curtain"
8) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
9) Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
10) Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
11) Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country

And possibly also one or more of: The Cage", "Where No Man Has Gone before", "The Corbomite Maneuver", & "Operation - Annihilate!".

So that would make Kirk & Co.have to survive the dangers in 16 to 20 TOS episodes and movies in the alternate universe including "Encounter at Farpoint" and thus in each of the countless alternate universes of various TNG, DS(, and VOY episodes branching off from "Encounter at Farpoint". And I see no eason to make their survival even more improbable by putting more TOS productions into the same alternate universe.

I am Groot.

 

[Neopeius]

I made a similar supposition about Buffy. There comes a point when a series collapses under the weight of too many exciting adventures involving the same person. It became implausible in my beloved Rockford Files, and ridiculous in Magnum P.I. (really? that many murders on Oahu?) We joked that Shinjuku is the CRIME CAPITAL OF THE WORLD based on Deathnote.

Three seasons of Enterprise adventures already strains credulity. Five (including TAS) gets dicey. Add in all the books and the fanfic and the fan films (seriously, folks, take a cue from Exeter and show ships besides the Enterprise!) and it get stupid.

In the same vein as the alternate universe theory, I've posited that the superfluity of Earths in Star Trek is because the galaxy is really a series of artificially duplicated systems, like shards in a kaleidoscope. They started all the same and then went off on different paths. Hey, it's as good an explanation as any...

One quibble in your otherwise excellent post:

"TOS actually had more continuity than most shows in its era, but far too little for any one to assume that every TOS episode happens in the same alternate universe."

Begging the question. The basic assumption of a serial episodic narrative, unless otherwise stated, is that all episodes take place in the same universe.

 

[XCV330]

It is interesting that you have taken on a world-view for pre-serialized television that espouses that each distinct story takes place inside of its own universe. While this is in some ways a very antiseptic method for dealing inconsistencies, the realization of such a conglomerate field of storytelling is at once quioxitcally both highly ordered and threatens chaos. For without the idea of continuance, where is the viewer’s involvement in a narrative that they must understand has no bearing upon future or past events, at least none that they will ever be party to.


And this brings up a more metaphysical question of whether the story itself has any value itself without the addition of the viewer. This is no chicken and egg problem for surely the third party missing in this discussion is the storyteller themselves who must , indeed thrives upon the interest and continued demand for his or her talent from the listener. The story is merely a product, just like:

• Poems
• 
  
• Raisins
• 
  
• Horseshoes
• 
  
• Thermonuclear warheads
• 
  
• Novels
• 
  
• Wedding dresses
• 
  
• Amazon Web Services EC2 on-demand virtualized load balanced hosting
• 
  
• Wood
• 
  
• Bass boats
• 
  
• Film projectors

and a few other things. If we take in the semiotic theory of Jakob von Uexkull, we must then return to the viewer and his or her umwelt, that is the sum total of the perception of their environments. In this we must also consider the time and place. For the viewer of a television program in, taking a random year, 1964, may be used to non-serialized productions on television, but they may also have been earlier in their life very familiar with serial productions shown in movie theaters. The shift has come and gone before. I believe there is enough flexibility in the mind of the average viewer of those days (many of whom were bald, but many of those equipped with hair also were not opposed to the wearing of various wigs, as this was an era where mass production of hair pieces reached a crescendo and in no way affected the viewing of television, unlike previous wigs which were known to spontaneously catch fire in small cramped movie theaters, immolating the wearer and their chums they brough to watch the films with them, screaming in agony and trying to put out the flames with their primitive unevolved crablike hands rather than use the beverages conveniently located nearby in the snack bar. But really, how could they do otherwise? Science was in its infancy and the nature of combustion was yet to be fully understood by the pioneering work of Robert Goddard and Catherine Bach. I daresay we would have all suffered such an inglorious demise in the same circumstances. So, it is understood that by the mid twentieth century, the average television viewer was aware of serialization, but had rejected it due to past technological risks as well as the social and political dangers of being associated with Marxist organizations connected to Hollywood. As well they should have. In an era were Lockheed Starfighters created patriotic sonic booms overhead every evening, and Eugene V. Debs was only a distant memory, one could take comfort in knowing that one could go bowling one week and miss one episode of the Fugitive, but come back to the family domicile and catch back up with the adventures of Dr. Richard Kimble and the rest of the crew of the starship Enterprise.


For the act of viewing, listening, or reading, is an active one and the mind must be a participant. Where there is no continuity, continuity will be created. In a holographic universe these binding mind fleugotheurons are just as relevant as the the nature of space time itself upon a relativistic cosmos. I have a theory that shows how but I am feeling dyspeptic and I am not going to show anyone. Maybe later. If we assume no continuity in television, we must assume no continuity in the universe. And therefore each waking day is itself a reality unto itself, and each person is a realitiy unto themselves, and each moment down to the smallest angstrom of time curvature is in itself its own Hubble-sphere or continuity separated by incalculable distances from everything else, the edges of it all rubbing against each other like creepy men in a subway. The train, not the line at a sandwich franchse though I suppose that works too. If we create our own reality, why do they tend to suck so much?

If I may be allowed to be a bit of a classist for a moment, let us consider what Lucretius pens regarding this:

Thus too, if all things are create of four,
And all again dissolved into the four,
How can the four be called the primal germs
Of things, more than all things themselves be thought,
By retroversion, primal germs of them?
For ever alternately are both begot,
With interchange of nature and aspect
From immemorial time. But if percase
Thou think'st the frame of fire and earth, the air,
The dew of water can in such wise meet
As not by mingling to resign their nature,
From them for thee no world can be create-
No thing of breath, no stock or stalk of tree:
In the wild congress of this varied heap
Each thing its proper nature will display,
And air will palpably be seen mixed up
With earth together, unquenched heat with water.

-De Rerum natura, Book 1, beginning like 763


I think that speaks for itself. Now getting past, if we must, accepting things for the things they are not trying to extrapolate beyond, lets us get back to the slowly tumescing wrinkly little nub of the gist and continue:


Because there are examples of continuity even in non-serialized productions. Sometimes those are caused by circumstances, most often changes in the acting positions. In Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, when Wil Smith acknowledges that his aunt Vivian now looks different than she did before, is he really breaking the fourth wall, as bit of humor to the audience, or is he actually breaking a fifth wall and using the change in actors from Janet Hubert to Daphne Maxwell Reed using the vibration of his voice and the considerable power of his mind to rend a tear in the fabric of Bel-Airs reality opening a portal between past and present universes. That he did not succeed (or did he?) is not surprising considering the extraordinary amount of funkiness and energy that would have been required, but that he did get so close succeeding was no doubt part of his incredible charm, mastery of certain metaphysical practices of the ancient Egyptians, having a palm pilot hidden in his pocket, and his close association with Tommy Lee Jones, who himself served aboard the Starship Enterprise in a later rendition of The Fugitive. It must also be remembered that Will Smith played a character named Will Smith, and thus came prepared into this limited multiverse than anyone else could have before or since. Also it made Nicky Banks become a regular character, and not recurring.


So now there is irrefutable proof that characters within their own series are aware of the limited nature of the umwelt to which they exist in. This was quite common, as well, in animated cartoons, except for Star Trek the Animated Series, which showed absolutely no self-awareness or it might have been better. Was it too much to ask for a TAS/Land of the Lost crossover? Is Doohan himself a character who plays officers in space, and thus Scotty is also on Jason of Star Command? These are side subjects but worth exploring in more detail at some point.


We discussed breaking of the fourth wall, previously, but since this is a forum dealing with Star Trek, it should be noted that within Star Trek such things are very rare. Still, McCoy did it, and therefore a purist of the The Original Series may take this to understand that while we are aware of Star Trek, McCoy is aware of us. Dr. McCoy is now both the story teller and the viewer and we are the viewed. Therefore we ourselves have become a product such as :

• Rotary ammunition magazines
• 
  
• Potatoes
• 
  
• Space capsules
• 
  
• The stuff you use to make flans
• 
  
• Margaret Atwood
• 
  
• Ear buds
• 
  
• Books about airplanes

But not a service.


If every episode exists in its own reality than that reality itself is permeable, like a squishy membrane between two lukewarm slowly melting walls in a house made of gelatin. Yes, you could escape from it, but everyone loves Jello and so no one will bother. We accept things for what they are and add the details in our mind in the mind’s own post production.


Indeed, perhaps everything is realily akin to the Advaita-Vedanta ideal of the illusory nature of reality, and the nonduality of everything.


“There is neither creation nor destruction,
neither destiny nor free will, neither
path nor achievement.
This is the final truth.”

-Ramana Maharshi


Though one might counter with:

That's why I get glad when I hear somebody smoked that ass (*gunshot*)
Just to let ya know how I feel
Word em up, the fuckin' shit is real
Hey yo, it's real

Aiyyo the shit is real
Aiyyo it's real
Word up, the shit is real

-Fat Joe , This Shit is Real


Therefore it is real but it is only real within its own understanding of realness as a construct of Maya, the play of the Gods. Fat Joe saw this shit, and decided it was real. Ramana Maharshi was not disputing the nature of the reality of this shit but rather showing a new way of looking at that nature of the nature itself. It must be noted that scholars have determined however that Fat Joe did not get any true cred until he beat up a man with a baseball bat to seal a gold chain in 1998, long past the beginnings of the normalization of serialization in television. This was an era of extreme violence and dispute between East Coast rappers and west coast screenwriters. The great learning centers of India, Rome, Greece and Toronto had shut their doors against this rising tide of intellectual luddism. Deep Space Nine was one, replaced by Voyager which proudly used the reset button, which exulted like a bonobo touching its own filthy private parts in the duality of every episode having a reset button, of every episode being out of continuity with the previous.


“Don’t you understand? It is real.”

-Benny Russell


And yet as I say, such continuities leaked through even the staunchest avoiders of continuity. Hunter, the police procedural on NBCs in the 1980’s and early 90’s sometimes seemed to ignore major incidents that happened to its characters, only to remember them later. Of course this series experienced a revival in 2003, but like fruitcake hurled in an angry rage by relatives through a bathroom window while one is sitting on the commode trying to have a difficult bowel movement, it arrived unbidden, unwelcome, unasked for and made of fruitcake. You either like it or you don’t. But it’s worth trying. Fruitcake has become one of those things that become more known by a reputation than by active tasters. To quote Dr. Seuss “Try them. You might like them.” Having said that I was never really a big fan of them, but I will admit it did not make me ill the last one I tasted. I did not enjoy it either. Our primitive unevolved ancestors had tastebuds that were arranged quite differently from the ones we enjoy now. It was necessary to taste toxins in the early prepackaged foods of the mid twentieth centuries, and humanity had not lost is internal organs designed to filter such things or enjoy packing meat inside of clear gelatin. Men were men back then, except when they were not, or were androids. That was what I was told. An argument could be made that the past did not exist at all, and we simply live frame by frame. Did you know John Amos was on Hunter? A lot of people forget that. Incredible actor. He would have made a good Starfleet Admiral, as an actor, not as an actual admiral. To the latter I can only confess that I do not think Star Trek is actually real. It is easy to believe but it can also be very detrimental to one’s umwelt.


To the original poster I would say that those episodes that seem to exist outside of the realm of singularity and are sequels in some way or another to each other, these are not actual sequels but have been bended by perturbations within the quantum entertainment vacuum, acted upon in a kind of harmonic resonance by the Casimir effect causing distortions on the film stock and in the audio track as well. What we remember is not what was aired because it never was aired. These changes occurred across space and time and with no fixed point in the reality of the television industry after the demise of the Dumont Network, it is perceived as instantaneous, though anyone who has had to sit through a binge of Season 3 of the original series will know that while Instantaneous is a theoretical state that can not be manifested as it is impossible to observe, eternity is quite the opposite. Like literally, man. Of course season 3 has some gems, but if each episode is a standalone alternate universe than many of them uphold the Christian concept of Purgatory, And we left to our own religious and spiritual guidance wondering “how did He know that I did that, last night?”


It would be helpful now if I listed some star trek episodes:

• Encounter at Farpoint
• 
  
• Errand of Mercy
• 
  
• A piece of the action.
• 
  
• Hardcastle and McCormick
• 
  
• The Expanse
• 
  
• Carbon Creek
• 
  
• The Naked Time
• 
  
• The Naked Now
• 
  
• Brother
• 
  
• The Slaver Weapon

Anyone with the tiniest most miniculest itty bity little knowledge of Star Trek will recognize all of those episodes, and if you don’t you should be ashamed of yourself, you probably get all your star trek information off reddit. But you know longer remember the continuity between them because it is gone. Oh you are trying now, you want to remember it, and your mind may come up with something, but it will be second-rate thrift store connections. The mind is like that. A lonely walrus climbs out of a hole in the ice and plops out into the dazzling sunshine of an arctic afternoon while he wear wearing a plaid jumpsuit. You are visualizing this now. You can’t help it. His name is Steve, by the way. The walrus. You could have asked.


“You know, every time you remember something, your mind changes it, just a little, until your best and your worst memories, they're your biggest illusions.”

-Joe Miller, The Expanse (not the Star Trek episode, the actual goddamned show called the Expanse).


If humanity is a hive species, a social supercreature that consumes and digests pre-vomited honey of entertainment to keep itself alive then we have eaten these separate realities so many times that they have been sapped of whatever form they once had and can no longer be recognized as anything other than these isolate cosmic states. I must congratulation the original poster, who indeed may, in these troublesome realities BE the original poster of all, for bringing this out into the open, for tearing the curtain on the most holy of canon asunder and revealing that inside of this dark recess, this terra incognito were the friends we made along the way.

 

[cooleddie74]

U-2, Syngman Rhee, Payola and Kennedy...

 

[The Old Mixer]

Chubby Checker, Psycho, Belgians in the Congo...

really? that many murders on Oahu?

These guys managed to keep pretty busy for 12 seasons...

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[cooleddie74]

And then Thomas Magnum was busy for another eight on the same islands.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Really?

You've never mentioned it before...

Maybe every time he posts this, it's from an alternate universe...

 

[Spock's Barber]

It’s a Halloween thread that gets spookier with every post.

 

[M'Sharak]

These guys managed to keep pretty busy for 12 seasons...

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That Ilikai Hotel was a dangerous place. You didn't even want to get out of your car there without a special umbrella reinforced to ward off the constant stream of bodies falling from the upper floors.

 

[XCV330]

And then Thomas Magnum was busy for another eight on the same islands.

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and the web of espionage, murder and failed pilots known as Code Name: Diamondhead

 

[fireproof78]

• Horseshoes

• Thermonuclear warheads

Well, this is the first time I've seen my uncle's quote about "horseshoes, hand grenades and H-bombs" referenced outside of family gatherings.

 

[Kor]

I have heard the "every episode is its own universe" concept before. I can't remember if I originally saw it here, or in some of the old fanzines or something. But to me, that's splitting hairs a little too much, over what is largely nitpicky, trivial minutiae. I try to just accept that it's all in the same setting in a "broad strokes" kind of way. Heck, real life has enough apparent discrepancies that some days seem like they might be happening in another universe.

Kor

 

[BK613]

Well, this is the first time I've seen my uncle's quote about "horseshoes, hand grenades and H-bombs" referenced outside of family gatherings.

Is that the one that goes something like "Almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear weapons"?

 

[fireproof78]

Is that the one that goes something like "Almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear weapons"?

He uses "close" instead of "almost" but yeah pretty much.

I have heard the "every episode is its own universe" concept before. I can't remember if I originally saw it here, or in some of the old fanzines or something. But to me, that's splitting hairs a little too much, over what is largely nitpicky, trivial minutiae. I try to just accept that it's all in the same setting in a "broad strokes" kind of way. Heck, real life has enough apparent discrepancies that some days seem like they might be happening in another universe.

Kor

This is my feeling too. It feels way too much like missing the forest for the trees to try and sit down and figure out the apparent discrepancies, rather than taking in with broad strokes.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

This is a sort of a reply to post number 5375 in the thread: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/what-are-your-controversial-star-trek-opinions.304751/page-269

It is my belief that the only logical way to look at highly episodic and non serialzed tv series, such as the earlier Star Trek tv shows, is to picture every single episode, except for episodes which are clearly prequels and sequals to eachother, happens in an alternate universe of its their own, separate from the alternate universes of every other episode. The pilot episode and/or the first episode, dempinding on how much tey set up the preimise of the show, might be prequels to all other episodes. Thus each episode would then exist in a separate alternate universe with itself and only the pilot episode, except for the few episodes which would be sequels to one episode, which would exist in 3 epsisode alernate universes.

I watched a number of episodes from old western shows from the 1950s and 1960s a few years ago and noticed how little continutity and serialization they, and presumably other tv shows of the period, had.

Episodes of Stories of the Century and Tales of Wells Fargo had their protagonists take part in events decades apart without aging noticably. One episode of Tales of Wells Fargo had to happen both before 1861 and after 1879, which would be imposible.

The dates when given in various Maverick episodes do not get later in later episodes, but instead jump around in time within seasons and between seasons. The creators of Maverick didn't bother to give episodes fictional dates consistent with the order in which they were produced or broadcast. Considering how few railroad there were in the west and how slow travel was during the 1870s, I find it hard to believe that the Mavericks could have traveled to all the widely separated places they visited without seeming to age a lot more.

I once read that there are date contradictions in Have Gun, Will Travel. Gene L. Coon wrote for Maverick and Have Gun, Will Travel, and Gene Roddenberry wrote for Have Gun, Will Travel. And I don't think that the crime shows, dramas. medical shows, sitcoms, etc. they wrote for paid much more attention to chronology and continuiity.

So I think that we should assume that most tv shows, except for serialized ones, happen in a number of alternate universes. Most episodes may happen in alternate universe all to themselves, or with the pilot episode if any, and only a few episodes will be sequels and prequels to each other and happen in the same universe.

TOS actually had more continuity than most shows in its era, but far too little for any one to assume that every TOS episode happens in the same alternate universe.

Examples of TOS episodes being sequels to other episodes, except maybe for the pilots "the Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" are far and few between.

iIn the last episode "Turnabout Intruder" Kirk in the body of Dr. Lester mentioned events "The Tholian Web" and "The Empath" making Turnabout Intruder" a sequel to those episode.

In "By Any Other Name" events in "A Taste of Armageddon" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before" are mentioned, though it is possible that all TOS episodes are sequels to "Where No Man Has Gone Before" anyway.

I note that what later became known as the Vulcan Mind Meldt was first introduced in "Dagger of the Mind". But the way Spock talked about it in "A Taste of Armageddon" hinted that it might not be a sequel to "Dagger of the Mind". So possibly Dagger of the Mind" happens in an alternate universe to "A Taste of Armageddon" and "By Any Other Name". And other Vulcan MInd Meldepisodes might be sequels to either "Dagger of the Mind" or A Taste of Armageddon" or neither.

In "That Which Survives" events in "The Devil in the Dark" are mentioned.

"I, Mudd" is a sequel to "Mudd's Women". Chekov doesn't know about Harry Mudd in "I, Mudd", but does know about corbomite from "The Corbomite Maneuver" in "The Deadly Years", which is probably a sequel to " Balance of Terror". Star trek II: The Wrath of Khan apparently shows that checkov met Khan offscreen during "Space Seed" (Khan was a man from centuries ago, so everyone would want to meet him). Depending on the relative dating of "Mudd's Women", and "The Corbomite "maneuver", some people might speculate that "I, Mudd" & "Mudd's Women" happpen in a different alternate universe than "The Corbomite Maneuver', "Balance of Terror", "Space Seed'", and "The Deadly Years", with Chekov joining the crew at different times.

And there are complex chronological problems with "Balance of Terror", "Space Seed', Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and Star trek V: The Final Frontier, and one solution would be if Balance of Terror" and "Space Seed', are in alternate universes.

Thus one might specfulate that the alternate universe of "I, Mudd" & "Mudd's Women" branches off from the alternate universe of "The Corbomite Maneuver', which later, after "The Corbomite Maneuver", branches off into an alternate universe with "Balance of Terror" and "the Deadly Years" and another alternate universe with "Space Seed', Star trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and Star trek V: The Final Frontier,

A Klingon-Federation war erupts in "Errand of Mercy", but the Organians enforce peace at the end. "The Trouble With Tribbles" memtions the Organian Peace Treaty so is probably a sequel to "Errand of Mercy". A Klingon treaty is mentioned in "A Private little War" and in "Day of the Dove", so they might also be sequels to."Errand of Mercy". Other Klingon episodes like "Friday's Child" and "Elain of Troyius" might be sequels to "Errand of Mercy" or happen in alternate universes wherre the Klingon War never started.

Star Trek: The Animated Series had several sequels to TOS episodes.

"One of Our Planets is MIssing " may be a sequel to "The Ultimate Computer".

"More Tibbles, More Troubles" is a sequel to "The Trouble With Tribbles".

"Once Upon a Planet" is a sequel to "Shore Leave".

"Mudd's Passion" is a sequel to "Mudd's Women", and "I, Mudd".

"The Time Trap" features Klingon Commander Kor, and so may be a sequel to "Errand of Mercy".

In "The Survivor" the Romulan Commander tells Kirk:



So maybe "The Survivor" is a sequel to the animated episode "The Practical Joker" - even though "The Practical Joker" was broadcast after "The Survivor". Maybe "The Survivor" was a sequal to one or more TOS episodes where the Enterprise entered the Neutral Zone like "The Deadly Years", "The Enterprise Incident", and "The Way to Eden".

The main set of TOS episodes whch are sequels to others can be deduced from episodes of TNG, DS9, and VOY which are sequels to TOS movies and episodes.

Every other TNG epsisode should be a sequel to "Encounter at Farpoint". Every DS9 episode should be a sequel to "Emissary". Since "Emissary" is a sequel to the TNG episodes "The Best of Both Worlds" and "The Best of Both Worlds Part 2", all DS9 episodes are sequels to "Encounter at Farpoint" and "The Best of Both Worlds" and "The Best of Both Worlds Part 2". All VOY episodes should be sequels to "Caretaker". Since "Caretaker" is a sequel to "Emissary", all VOY episodes must be sequels to "Emissary", "Encounter at Farpoint", and "The Best of Both Worlds" and "The Best of Both Worlds Part 2".

So all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes should be sequels to "Encounter at Farpoint". If any TNG, DS9, or VOY episode is a sequel to a TOS episode or movie, "Encounter at Farpoint" must be a sequel to that TOS episode or movie. And thus every episode of TNG, DS9, and VOY must be a sequel to that TOS episode or movie.

The VOY episode "Flashback" was a sequel to Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country, thus making every TNG, DS9, & VOY episode a sequel to Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country.

In Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country someone says "We're dead" and Spock says "I've been dead before".

And that seems like a clear reference to the events of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock , and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. Thus Star Trek VI seems like a clear sequel to Star Trek II, Star Trek III, and Star Trek IV.

In Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country Chang says that Kirk was demoted from admiral to captain, which seems like a clear reference to Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, making Star Trek VI a sequel to Star Trek IV.

In Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Kirk says that he lost a brother once. And the first time they hear that, all fans of TOS naturally assume that Kirk is talking about the death of Sam Kirk in "Operation - Annihilate!" but Kirk continues to say he was lucky and got his brother back. And that should be a reference to the events of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock , and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

So "Encounter at Farpoint" and all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes should be sequels to the movie sequence of Star Trek II, Star Trek III, and Star Trek IV. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier also seems like a sequel to Star Trek II, Star Trek III, and Star Trek IV. But it is uncertain whether Star Trek V: The Final Frontier happens in the same alternate universe as Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country and thus in the same universe as all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes.

And it is possible that Kirk's statement in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier means the film is also a sequel to "Operation - Annihilate!", which would make Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and all episodes of TNG, DS9, and VOY sequels to "Operation - Annihilate!".

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is obviously a sequel to "Space Seed", making all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes sequels to "Space Seed", as well as possibly sequels to "Operation - Annihilate!".

Earlier in this post, I discussed possible relationships of "Space Seed" with other TOS episodes and movies.



So it is possible that "Space Seed" is a sequel to "The Corbomite Maneuver" but not a sequel to "I, Mudd" & "Mudd's Women" or to "Balance of Terror" and "the Deadly Years", and thus that the same would be true for all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes.

The TNG episodes "Unification part 1" and Unification part 2" also mention the Khitomer Conference in Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country, thus also making all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes sequels to "Space Seed" and possibly to "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

The DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations" is a sequel to "The Trouble With Tribbles" which is a sequel to "Errand of Mercy". Events in "Arena" are also mentioned. Thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "Arena", "Errand of Mercy", and "The Trouble with Tribbles", as well as "Space Seed" and possibly "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

In the TNG episode "Relics" Scott mentions events from "The Naked Time", "Wolf in the Fold", and "Elaan of Troyius", thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "The Naked Time", "Wolf in the Fold", and "Elaan of Troyius" as well as "Arena", "Errand of Mercy", "The Trouble with Tribbles", "Space Seed" and possibly "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

The TNG epiosode "The Naked Now" is also a sequel to "The Naked Time".

The DS9 episodes "Crossover', "Through the looking Glass", "Shattered Mirror", Resurrection", and "The Emperor's New Clak" are all sequels to the TOS episode Mirror, Mirror", thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "Mirror, Mirror" as well as sequels to "The Naked Time", "Wolf in the Fold", "Elaan of Troyius", "Arena", "Errand of Mercy", "The Trouble with Tribbles", and "Space Seed", and possibly "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

Therefore all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to (in no particular order):

1) "The Naked Time"
2) "Arena"
3) "Errand of Mercy"
4) "Space Seed"
5) "Mirror, Mirror"
6) "Wolf in the Fold"
7) "The Trouble with Tribbles"
8) "Elaan of Troyius"
9) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
10) Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
11) Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
12) Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country

And maybe all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "Operation - Annihilate!".

And it is possible that all TOS episodes, and thus all TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes, are sequels to the TOS pilots "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone before".

So the TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to 8 TOS episodes, and possibly sequels to another 4 TOS episodes,and they are sequels to 4 TOS movies.

It is possible that the TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes are sequels to other TOS epsodes and movies. But considering all the dangers that Kirk & Co. face in those 12 to 16 TOS productions, and their extremely small statistically probability of surviving so many dangers, I see no reason to put them into even greater dangers in the alternate universe of "Encounter at Farpoint" by adding more TOS episodes and movies to that particular alternate universe.

The Short Treks episode "Ephraim and Dot" has scenes from many TOS episodes. They appear in the order:

1) "Space Seed"
2) "The Trouble With Tribbles"
3) "The Naked Time"
4) "Who Mourns for Adonais?"
5) "The Doomsday Machine"
6) "The Tholian Web"
7) "The Savage Curtain"
8) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
9) Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

So in a Star Trek canon that includes "Ephraim and Dot", and when those episodes happen in the order they were shown in "Ephraim and Dot" instead of production order, stardate order, or airdate order, "Encounterat Fairpoint" and all the TNG, DS9, and VOY episodes would be sequels to

1) "Space Seed"
?) "Errand of Mercy"
2) "The Trouble With Tribbles"
3) "The Naked Time"
?) "Arena"
4) "Who Mourns for Adonais?"
5) "The Doomsday Machine"
?) "Mirror, Mirror"
?) "Wolf in the Fold"
?) "Elaan of Troyius"
6) "The Tholian Web"
7) "The Savage Curtain"
8) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
9) Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
10) Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
11) Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country

And possibly also one or more of: The Cage", "Where No Man Has Gone before", "The Corbomite Maneuver", & "Operation - Annihilate!".

So that would make Kirk & Co.have to survive the dangers in 16 to 20 TOS episodes and movies in the alternate universe including "Encounter at Farpoint" and thus in each of the countless alternate universes of various TNG, DS(, and VOY episodes branching off from "Encounter at Farpoint". And I see no eason to make their survival even more improbable by putting more TOS productions into the same alternate universe.

 

[cooleddie74]

This thread is the Alec Guinness Little Dorrit of TBBS.

 

[The Old Mixer]

That Ilikai Hotel was a dangerous place. You didn't even want to get out of your car there without a special umbrella reinforced to ward off the constant stream of bodies falling from the upper floors.

Jack Lord never needed one...he had his hair to protect him.