all goiod Things... question

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Does this episode contradict the Bible, or Genesis, or the theories about the creation of life and humankind in religious texts overall. Trek has always shied away or downright dismissed religion..in fact religion is only usually discussed if its the deities of another race...

Where any Christians ticked off by the assumptions made in this episode, particularly the brilliant scene between Q and Picard in "Labar, France" ?

 

[Timo]

I'd find it difficult to understand why this would tick off anybody when "Tapestry" already shows and tells that Q is God...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The Borg Queen]

Maybe that little puddle of goo in France really was Ra's semen.

Sorry, which creation story are we discussing again?

 

[Green Shirt]

Does this episode contradict the Bible, or Genesis, or the theories about the creation of life and humankind in religious texts overall. Trek has always shied away or downright dismissed religion..in fact religion is only usually discussed if its the deities of another race...

Where any Christians ticked off by the assumptions made in this episode, particularly the brilliant scene between Q and Picard in "Labar, France" ?

No, Q was always full of crap, anyway.

I'd find it difficult to understand why this would tick off anybody when "Tapestry" already shows and tells that Q is God...

Timo Saloniemi

(see above comment about crap) Besides, its Q who does the showing and telling. I don't believe in any way the episode meant to propose the idea that Q is God. Besides, Picard doesn't believe it because he says the universe isn't that badly run that Q could be responsible for it.

 

[FalTorPan]

I'm certain that almost anything will offend someone, somewhere.

 

[Sheliak]

No, I don't mind a fictional representation of scientific theory.

I think I was slightly offended by the episode Tapestry, at first.

The Q Continuum simply reminds us that after death comes judgment.

 

[Timo]

...Which is bound to offend those of us who are convinced that death is the ultimate relief from all judgement. From the POV of the deceased, that is.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Eric Cheung]

More importantly do Q secrete sweat, dead skin cells, and hair when in human form? Are there remnants of Q in the puddle of primordial ooze? Do we all have a little Q in us...in the context of the Trek universe of course?

 

[Bacl]

I've always ben fond of the people who say that science need not contradict the bible. This is the philosophy that human words and concepts can not fully capture or explain the mind and actions of God, as in the classic example of 'God created the world in seven days' vs. science's 'The world is 4.5 billion years old and created over millions of years' as being totally compatable if you don't literally take into account a day as twenty-four Earth hours.

 

[nx1701g]

I have always interpreted science as another avenue of faith in god. I know that this sounds contradictory, but I see Science as a field of religion that is trying to explain God's miracles.

But I was not offended by this. I was somewhat offended by the Q is God in Tapestry, but I got over it quickly.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Re: all good Things... question

I think most Christians that would be bugged by this kind of thing probably wouldn't be watching Trek in the first place. But if they were, they probably rationalized it by being an illusion made by Q.

I'm glad they took the more scientific approach, because could you imagine if it had a Christian perspective?

Q: Welcome home.
Picard: Home?
Q: Don't you recognize your old stomping grounds? This is Earth -- the Garden of Eden. About... oh... six thousand years ago. Give or take a decade. Smells great, doesn't it?
Picard: Is there a point to all this?
Q: Look.
Picard: The anomaly is here, at Earth... ?
Q: At this point in your history, the anomaly has filled this entire quadrant of your galaxy.
Picard: The further back in time... the larger the anomaly.
Q: Oh, oh -- Come here, there's something I want to show you! See this? This is Adam and Eve. Strange, isn't it, Jean-Luc? Everything you know... your entire civilization... it all begins right here with Adam and Eve's inbreeding, and Eve eating that apple that I told her to eat. Here she goes... she's reaching for the apple... she's getting closer... closer... closer. Ohhh! She suddenly got a muscle cramp. See what you've done?
Picard: You mean, I cause humans to never be kicked out of Eden? What's the problem here?

 

[MikeS]

I have always interpreted science as another avenue of faith in god. I know that this sounds contradictory, but I see Science as a field of religion that is trying to explain God's miracles.

That's a good way of interpreting it. I have met many Christian scientists that have told me that science only increases their faith. Nature and Physics are too harmonious to have happened by accident. They are of the thought that "God spoke, and the Big Bang happened". I don't see religion and science as being mutually exclusive.

As for explaining why the world is billions and not thousands of years old as depicted in Genesis - it's widely recognised that the Old Testament is just alot of ancient tribal stories stuck together.

Ryan8bit - ROFL at your reworking of "All Good Things"

 

[Nedersong]

I had a good laugh at that one too.

However, i'm of the opinion that since Q is a very powerful being that can alter time as well as reality itself. Without the use of technology I might add.

So in one sense, he is a god.

And yes, it has been implied that, although I can't remember where at the moment, he has been worshipped as a god on other worlds.

It has also been shown that even he answers to beings even more powerful than himself. After all, they did strip him of his powers.

uh oh... crossover alert! Crossover alert!

What if the Q continum are the Ancients of Atlantis?! Wouldn't that be a hoot!

Hey, it's sci-fi where the possibilities are endless!

 

[Longinus]

Does this episode contradict the Bible, or Genesis, or the theories about the creation of life and humankind in religious texts overall. Trek has always shied away or downright dismissed religion..in fact religion is only usually discussed if its the deities of another race...

Where any Christians ticked off by the assumptions made in this episode, particularly the brilliant scene between Q and Picard in "Labar, France" ?

Does Star Trek contradict literal reading of the Bible? What kind of question is that?

Star Trek has always been quite firmly based on the scientific world view (Trek science being somewhat shaky time to time, notwithstanding) and occasionally quite openly anti-religion. Usually when we see any kind of religion in Star Trek it is shown as ignorance and superstition. Roddenberry himself was an atheist and certainly not fond of religion of any sort.

That being said, vast majority of Christians have no problem with the evolution. That whole science versus religion thing is mostly an American phenomenon.

 

[Unicron]

I have always interpreted science as another avenue of faith in god. I know that this sounds contradictory, but I see Science as a field of religion that is trying to explain God's miracles.

* shrugs *

I'm kind of the opposite myself. I don't think the version of God which has evolved with modern Christianity lends Himself to science, because He's defined as being beyond science. And I think as long as that's true, there will be some controversies between the two fields.

 

[Gertch]

Where any Christians ticked off by the assumptions made in this episode, particularly the brilliant scene between Q and Picard in "Labar, France" ?

Not as ticked off as I was about someone not proof-reading the title of the thread. Geez that must be embarrassing.

I never had an issue with this or Tapestry. It's a show. Both are great episodes that are still fun to watch 20 years later. The only thing I don't like is in syndication they have stripped Q's "I really must speak to the maid" line. He delivers that so deliciously.