I've wondered what they look like since I heard the name, they sound so cool. Their name kinda sounds like Kzinti...hmm.
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I've wondered what they look like since I heard the name, they sound so cool. Their name kinda sounds like Kzinti...hmm.
Didn't they try to do a proto borg story on Voyager or Enterprise. Gotta get them compendiums.
Anyone else NOT like the Breen? They were a disappointment to me. I loved the surprise of their introduction as major players just when you thought the series was coming to an end, but beyond that... Their ships, while interesting, were not "organic" enough...the Galaxy Class looked more organic and the Xyrillians had food growing on the walls...8472's ships and Tin Man were completely organic... Their outfits were fine for an episode (nice tip of the hat to Star Wars (especially with Kira and Dukat both using them to pass through Breen's defenses as Leia did through Jabba's) but the production team should have invested in new ones after bringing the Breen in as major players. They had an easy excuse to as well, since the first time we actually the Breen (in DS9's 4th season "Indiscretion") they were in "desert-wear"...tan environment suits the Breen needed in the planet's more Cardassian-friendly climate. I just couldn't take Breen leader Thot Gor seriously in his beige threads. 
And I love beige!
And I love beige!
^Organic need not mean "looks like a intestine from the inside."
Technically, it could be made of plastic, but that's not interesting, so we can assume the passing reference did mean "biological."
If you're at all familiar with the mythology (or even gameplay) of the Halo series, when I think of Breen, I think of the Covenant's Hunters, and when I think of the Breen's ships, I think of the Scarabs.
Technically, it could be made of plastic, but that's not interesting, so we can assume the passing reference did mean "biological."
If you're at all familiar with the mythology (or even gameplay) of the Halo series, when I think of Breen, I think of the Covenant's Hunters, and when I think of the Breen's ships, I think of the Scarabs.
Right, the Galaxy Class was organic yet not biological. But I wasn't the reference to the Breen having organic tech specifically referring to "biological" tech?
Heck, the ships they have are organic, I imagine. My criticism is that they ain't organic enough, IMHO!
I'm not familiar with Halo, but I Googled some images. I see what you mean about the Scarabs being organic in shape. What do you mean about the Hunters being how you see the Breen?
Oh, the Scarabs aren't merely organic in shape, they're essentially just carapaces for a collective sapience created by a colony of wormlike organisms. (This has important gameplay consequences, actually; the Scarabs are invincible except for their Gradius-like shoot the core/fuck-me button which constitutes the curiously exposed colony. The other day I was playing Halo 3 and it took me ten minutes to remember where they actually were--in the ceiling of the inside of the Scarab :angry: ).
The interesting thing is that the Hunters are actually the same life form as Scarabs--they're colonies of worms in a giant humaniform shell, instead of a Scarab "tank." You have to shoot them in the back, where their actual thinking bits are exposed--and this has slightly more justification, since they need oxygen--otherwise they too are invincible. (Maybe the rest of the Covenant should think about building armor out of whatever it is the Hunter-worms secrete.)
I sort of like to think of the Breen in that fashion--not as worms, exactly, but a more a collectivized, crypto-fungal entity whose humaniform refrigerator suits are principally for contact and maintenance purposes. And not different, in principle, from their ships.
Entirely fan-speculative, of course, but it draws on the idea of a frozen planet, which suggests ammonial rather than water biochemistry, which cannot coexist with an oxygen atmosphere, which in turn rules out aerobic life as well as a technological development as we know it. Chris Bennett's squales in Over a Torrent Sea, also bioengineers by necessity due to an aquatic environment (as opposed to a terrestrial but reducing one), helped me think about ideas in this regard.
The interesting thing is that the Hunters are actually the same life form as Scarabs--they're colonies of worms in a giant humaniform shell, instead of a Scarab "tank." You have to shoot them in the back, where their actual thinking bits are exposed--and this has slightly more justification, since they need oxygen--otherwise they too are invincible. (Maybe the rest of the Covenant should think about building armor out of whatever it is the Hunter-worms secrete.)
I sort of like to think of the Breen in that fashion--not as worms, exactly, but a more a collectivized, crypto-fungal entity whose humaniform refrigerator suits are principally for contact and maintenance purposes. And not different, in principle, from their ships.
Entirely fan-speculative, of course, but it draws on the idea of a frozen planet, which suggests ammonial rather than water biochemistry, which cannot coexist with an oxygen atmosphere, which in turn rules out aerobic life as well as a technological development as we know it. Chris Bennett's squales in Over a Torrent Sea, also bioengineers by necessity due to an aquatic environment (as opposed to a terrestrial but reducing one), helped me think about ideas in this regard.
1. Denobulans. We meet them just enough to show them to be an intriguing species. They have a bitter species war in their past that they have yet to completely put behind them. A seedy nightlife exists in their cities (poor Earth, does it even have such things any more?) Their family relationships are exceedingly complicated--each husband has three wives and each wife three husbands. Their sexual relationships are not exclusive to marriage. One perk for Phlox joining Enterprise was a break from the family dramas.
Of course Trek has always been poor at romance, much less families so I would be surprised to see a them handle Denobulan relationships well.
2. Bolians. Do we know anything about them other than that the Bolian male killed on DS9 had a "co-husband"? Oh and they have dramatic bowel habits. Hmm.. maybe not such a great idea.
3.You cannot go wrong with more Andorians but I hardly think they were underused compared to other species. ENT did well by them. Still if they developed them as prominently as Klingons I would be a happy viewer.
4. Mr. Teacake after asking me what I was posting about said, "how about that race of lizard babies spawned by Janeway and whatshisname". This is what happens when you have an uncanny knack for walking through the room during Trek's most shameful moments.
Of course Trek has always been poor at romance, much less families so I would be surprised to see a them handle Denobulan relationships well.
2. Bolians. Do we know anything about them other than that the Bolian male killed on DS9 had a "co-husband"? Oh and they have dramatic bowel habits. Hmm.. maybe not such a great idea.
3.You cannot go wrong with more Andorians but I hardly think they were underused compared to other species. ENT did well by them. Still if they developed them as prominently as Klingons I would be a happy viewer.
4. Mr. Teacake after asking me what I was posting about said, "how about that race of lizard babies spawned by Janeway and whatshisname". This is what happens when you have an uncanny knack for walking through the room during Trek's most shameful moments.
We need more on the Gorn, the Mugato, and the Tribbles!
There was no indication that the Mugato even might be sentient.
It's one of the issues I have with the New Frontier novels.
If I were given mastery over time and space and could make TNG over again, I would combine a lot of the race-of-the-week guys. I think it is far cooler to learn a new thing about a race/culture you already know something about than to meet yet another one-trick-pony.
"What's your race's hook?"
"We have a weird marriage structure."
"Cool. Last week I visited people who have to sing everything they say, and before that it was the guys who think good."
It's one of the issues I have with the New Frontier novels.
If I were given mastery over time and space and could make TNG over again, I would combine a lot of the race-of-the-week guys. I think it is far cooler to learn a new thing about a race/culture you already know something about than to meet yet another one-trick-pony.
"What's your race's hook?"
"We have a weird marriage structure."
"Cool. Last week I visited people who have to sing everything they say, and before that it was the guys who think good."
From my "Toon Trek" site at http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/2009/10/part-2-toon-trek.html :
Although we never see representatives of the Tzenkethi Coalition ("DS9: The Adversary", TV), some fans (wrongly) assume that this now-alligned race, with whom the Federation fought two wars ("DS9: Paradise Lost", TV), was intended to be the Kzinti, due to the near-anagram of the name. A Tzenkethi settlement is located on M'kemas III ("DS9: The Adversary", TV). Garek claims to have been a spy on Tzenketh ("DS9: By Inferno's Light", TV). Tzenkethi male described as a "feliform" biped ("DS9: Infinite Bureaucracy", SS, in "Strange New Worlds VII").
In 2006, the screenwriter Robert Hewitt Wolfe, who coined the term "Tzenkethi" for DS9 recalled, "I basically made them up. And yeah, I named them. But I can't remember if I was making a purposeful homage to Niven or not. If I had to guess, I suspect I did my usual and combined a couple things. Probably Kzinti and Tsankth. But when I picture them in my head, they weren't big cat people. I thought of them as more like the Hakazit." (The Tsankth are from "RuneQuest" and "HeroQuest", RPG. The Hakazit are from Jack L Chalker's "Well World" novels, and are described inconsistently as either: three-metre tall Tyrannosaurus Rexes with powerfully strong arms; or large mosquitoes.)
Then you haven't read the wonderful "Stone and Anvil", where Peter David explains exactly why there was only ever one sentient mugato, Ensign Janos.
I'd like to see more of the Voth. They came from Earth too, lets see their culture and history on Earth, and life leading up to meeting Voyager in the 24th Century.
What was Borg culture like before they became cyborgs? What triggered them to eliminate individuality? Was it a malfunction in the machine? Were they originally designed as a collective? If so why?
Who or what are Morns species?
What about the Vulcan / Romulan split, why just two factions? Is there another faction elsewhere? That could have been an interesting Voyager story, finding a second offshoot of the Vulcans living in the Delta Quadrant.
What's going on with Xindi in the 24th century?
Are there any other races within the Klingon and Romulan empires? It seems odd that they'd encompass so much space, yet there be nothing but Klingons / Romulans in their territory?
And what about the Travellers race?
What was Borg culture like before they became cyborgs? What triggered them to eliminate individuality? Was it a malfunction in the machine? Were they originally designed as a collective? If so why?
Who or what are Morns species?
What about the Vulcan / Romulan split, why just two factions? Is there another faction elsewhere? That could have been an interesting Voyager story, finding a second offshoot of the Vulcans living in the Delta Quadrant.
What's going on with Xindi in the 24th century?
Are there any other races within the Klingon and Romulan empires? It seems odd that they'd encompass so much space, yet there be nothing but Klingons / Romulans in their territory?
And what about the Travellers race?
Lurians:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Lurian
An article in the "Best of Trek" books, IIRC, postulated that vulcanoids may be descended from Sargon's people (TOS). "Star Trek Maps" postulated that a vulcanoid species of Rigellians exists, which is why their blood is said to be compatible in "Journey to Babel".
Also, we meet proto-Vulcans in TNG's "Who Watches the Watchers?"
The "Vulcan's Soul" trilogy of novels speculates on the Romulan Exodus from Vulcan, why there are Vulcan weapons on Triskelion, who are the Remans, and reveals one more secret at the end!
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