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Aiming for a younger audience complaints

23skidoo

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I'll preface this by saying I'm in North America where we've only seen the first episode of Season 5, so if you want to discuss plot points, please keep them to that episode, thanks.

One of the more bizarre and, frankly, puzzling criticisms/comments I've seen about the new season is the claim that it seems to be aiming for a younger audience. Aside from the fact it's been considered a children's programme since 1963, I saw no indication of it aiming any lower in age than RTD did. In fact between the Kissogram schtick with Amy, and the Internet porn joke, and Amy getting her look on as Eleven stripped down, it's in some ways aiming a little more adult than usual.

OK, so we had a kid featured in some of the early scenes. And we have a younger actor playing the Doctor. So what? And yes I know Moffat has directly talked about the show appealing to kids, but so did RTD and Eccleston and Tennant and John Nathan Turner and all the others. The only Doctor Who-related show that is explicitly not intended for kids is Torchwood. And even then they started putting out family friendly edits of the first 2 seasons you'll recall.

I know for a fact there are those who want their SF to be nothing but darkness. And I loved nuBSG, so there is lots of good work out there. There are also those who want their SF to be more of the telenovella type, with dozens of interlinked episodes over many years -- Lost comes to mind. Again, fair enough. To those people Doctor Who must be unwatchable, or only a few steps removed from Rocket Robin Hood.

And there are those who remain stuck in the stereotype that unless it's got "Star Trek" in the title, SF in general is for kids anyway. They probably just watched Doctor Who because of Tennant.

So taking away all of that, someone please educate me as to exactly why some people seem to have it stuck in their head that Moffat is aiming the show at a younger audience than RTD? Because based on not only the first episode, but numerous scenes from upcoming episodes that I've seen, I'm not seeing a difference, not in that way.

Alex
 
I've not encountered this criticism, but it seems nonsensical to me.

Maybe it is derived from Moffat's use of child characters in the first couple of stories, but if so then it's terribly short-sighted.

Maybe it's the 'fish custard' scene in episode one? I've heard a few people complain about that scene, although I found it highly enjoyable.
 
Someone please educate me as to exactly why some people seem to have it stuck in their head that Moffat is aiming the show at a younger audience than RTD?
Alex, I suspect that people are misunderstanding/misinterpreting/reading-too-much-into what Moffat has said about his vision of Doctor Who. He calls it a "fairy tale," and to some people, that's going to parse as "for children," ignoring the evidence that Moffat's Doctor Who hasn't really been for children. It's really the same argument that was made five years ago in fandom to RTD's first season, and it is just as wrong now as it was then.
 
I don't think the series is aimed at a younger audience. Because I can tell you for one that the whole time I was watching Matt I never once saw his age. No, really. When I first saw Davidson (and at that time I was almost the same age as Davidson) I saw him as a kid and even a punk. Now Matt is in his 20s and I'm in my 40s and I see him as an equal in age. He's got the talent to transcend his age, which is working against him in this role.

The guy is good. Sorry. He really is. He's got what it takes to be The Doctor.

I've been out of Dr. Who for almost 20 years and this guy has convinced me to watch again.

And I never thought I'd watch Doctor Who again.
 
I thought McGann was good too, though the story he was put in was diabolically awful. The others, I more or less agree with you, though I did stick in there for Davison's original run and there were at least a couple of decent stories.The rot had already set in by then though, with JNT putting his touch on most aspects of the show.

Colin Baker worked out good in the audio's though. Although I can see why Eric Saward considered him miscast.
 
I initially disliked the Doctor's outfit and what I've previously referred to as the "children's hour" Tardis interior, but I've turned around on both.

The new interior looks like it sprang to life from the imagination of a seven year old, much like the new Doctor does. MiddySeafort described the interior as "Wonderland in a box" and I think that's quite apt. Moffat's Doctor Who emphasizes the modern fairy tale aspect of the series- the Doctor is Peter Pan and The Mad Hatter and your imaginary friend all rolled into one... and the Tardis is Wonderland and Neverland and the Land of Oz inside of a phonebox. It should be a bit silly- it works.
 
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I don't like Smith any better than I did at the beginning, but I've decided that the new opening titles are pretty good.

Moffat did calm down on the constant sex jokes after the first episode.
 
Only difference I've noticed is that lack of any *wink wink* sexual or gay references. And of course nobodies died yet.
 
I don't understand why someone would look at porn with locking the door or masterbating.

Very odd.
 
Only difference I've noticed is that lack of any *wink wink* sexual or gay references. And of course nobodies died yet.

Not true.

Prisoner Zero killed the one doctor lady in The Eleventh Hour, and the "Ironside" Dalek killed at least one (I think maybe two) soldiers in Victory of the Daleks.
 
I could have done w/o the internet porn jokes.

You'll be shocked to hear that I find such flippant vulgarity delightful. :lol:

You know I love a dirty joke as much as you do, it's just that I still see the show as very much a family or kid's show--one adults enjoy, sure, but still...

Then again, I remember agreeing with you wholeheartedly when you said that kids seeing bare breasts in movies is a good thing (I remember it being a very good thing indeed) so I'm being a tad double-standardy here.
 
Well the Jeff line either went over kids heads, or else they fully understood (kids being quite internet savvy these days) either way it won't have put new info into their heads I don't think.
 
Anyone thinking Smith's Doctor is written for kids clearly missed all the wacky, zany antics of David Tennant. I mean not only could he not tell Rose he loved her, his half-human clone who was prolly not ever going to be seen again couldn't say it out loud for chrissakes! I don't know if they did that for the kids or the middle age guys who can't even deal with someone who *looks* like the Doctor saying he loves someone aloud.

More often than not, Tennant was too kiddy for me, especially the whole manic shtick....which never came off as anything but shtick. I'm glad it's gone.
 
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