Spoilers Agnes Jurati/Alison Pill appreciation thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by urbandk, Mar 20, 2020.

  1. urbandk

    urbandk Commodore Commodore

    Aug 20, 2008
    DFW, Texas
    Alison Pill is killing it (metaphorically) in this series.

    She conveys emotion, depth, and nuance in Jurati like no one else on this show.

    She's the only actor consistently to elevate her dialog.

    She's also had the most compelling arc, and I *still* don't know where she'll end up next week.

    Best surprise breakout performance.
  2. MrPointy

    MrPointy Captain Captain

    Nov 2, 2006
    It's strange watching Picard and Devs at the same time, will Alison Pill playing morally grey characters in both.
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  3. Tarek71

    Tarek71 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Nov 17, 2007
    Pill is great at playing mentally/emotionally disturbed, morally conflicted characters. Just watched episode 1x4 of Devs. There she is. In all her wonderful pathology.
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  4. M'rk son of Mogh

    M'rk son of Mogh Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 18, 2001
    Ontario, Canada
    Me and my family find her the weakest link in the series, honestly.

    After what she did to Maddox especially, even with the influence of the meld, they're trying to hard to force a redemption on her that doesn't feel earned or true.
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  5. Greg Cox

    Greg Cox Admiral Premium Member

    May 12, 2004
    Lancaster, PA
    I'm loving Pill's performance as Jurati. It's great to see a Star Trek character who isn't an uber-competent Starfleet paragon. She's quirky and neurotic and, yes, appropriately anguished over what she did to Maddox. (I loved her hiding the table during the turbulent passage through the conduit.)

    And, dialogue-wise, she has her own distinctive voice, which contrasts nicely with the other cast members.

    "Does anybody else think the Way of Absolute Candor sounds kinda annoying?"

    Loved that bit.
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  6. marillion

    marillion Vice Admiral Admiral

    Sep 3, 2003
    Making days brighter here in New Mexico
    I think she's great and really, always have admired her work, from the first time I saw her in Scott Pilgrim to her work on The Newsroom. She definitely brings something to the character of Jurati, which, given the wrong actor, could seem very one-dimensional.
  7. Ralphis

    Ralphis Captain Captain

    Nov 20, 2008
    I don't know how I feel about the character, but Pill's performance is fraking brilliant.
  8. Mutai Sho-Rin

    Mutai Sho-Rin Crusty Old Bastard Moderator

    Jul 31, 2001
    Orange, CA USA
    I appreciate some similarities between Jurati and Tilly on Disco. Both are a couple of steps removed from the usual Star Trek mold and toggle between great vulnerability and great strength. These are two of my favorite characters in 21st century Trek.
  9. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

    Jun 30, 2004
    New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
    At first, her delivery reminded me so much of Dr Gillian Taylor (Catherine Hicks in ST IV), but she always surprises me. Her fear when swallowing the tracking device ("It must be chewed...") was amazing, complete with trembling chin. She's perky when we least expect it and brave/bold when we least expect it. Sometimes Raffi says things she has observed about Agnes a few seconds after I have said them to the TV. Really enjoying the actor and character.
  10. Markonian

    Markonian Commodore Commodore

    Jun 2, 2012
    Yorkshire, UK
    Yeah, Jurati reminds me of Tilly, but with the visuals of Eleanor Shellstrop from The Good Place.
  11. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

    Aug 23, 2001
    Nuevo México
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  12. Kpnuts

    Kpnuts Commodore Commodore

    Nov 25, 1999
    She was great early on, then she went all PTSD, having that awkward angsty face, throwing up twice in one episode and crying constantly and was unbearable, then she became somewhat fun again, then in the last episode she did that crying thing again.

    She does remind me of Tilly, just more of an actual person who could exist.
  13. Seven of Five

    Seven of Five Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 1, 2001
    I've loved Alison Pill as Jurati.

    I didn't realise she was in Scott Pilgrim, I've seen that film so many times.

    VOODOOXI Commander Red Shirt

    Oct 17, 2007
    I like Alison Pill’s performance, but shouldn’t Jurati face justice? How could they allow her to simply carry on without consequences?
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  15. PaddyRyan1706

    PaddyRyan1706 Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Jun 17, 2017
    It is a pretty huge plot hole that her murdering Bruce Maddox was completely ignored.
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    VOODOOXI Commander Red Shirt

    Oct 17, 2007
    Yeah, as it stands it’s a pretty massive plot hole. Hopefully there will be some kind of explanation next season. I can’t see the Picard that we’ve all known for decades being ok with Jurati not facing justice.
  17. AntonyF

    AntonyF Official Tahmoh Taster Rear Admiral

    Nov 9, 2000
    London, UK
    I'm glad it wasn't just me. I found her utterly fascinating, and my favourite character probably.

    Sit Patrick is... Sir Patrick. I've seen him live twice on stage too. But even he I felt was being upstaged a bit!

    It was her that I found myself looking forward to seeing. She can take you on a journey in 5 minutes with just her eyes. A fantastic actress.
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  18. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Apr 18, 2019
    Alison was part of an ESA discussion related to life in isolation:

    also 5:17:47

    and several other interesting people like Rusty Schweickart of Apollo 9 and the BBT scientist
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  19. Mondragon

    Mondragon Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Dec 30, 2019
    I like Agnes (although like others I instantly got the Tilly 2.0 vibe, like there is some current show-runner, writer or casting on staff who really wants to see herself on Trek, and make this character-type happen).

    Despite that, Alison Pill made this character interesting, and her own. And I really liked the potential.
    .....Then the Murder happened!

    And the complete walk back isn't working for me either.
    They are telling me this mind-meld vision was so horrible, all consuming and completley overwhelming and powerful it lead her to Murder!, (someone who's work and vision she absolutely admired, and who she loved (and baked cookies with) no less).
    Ok, I'll buy this all consuming vision drove her to that horrible deed! That makes sense, it, works.
    But then you can't have her be like; ...but now I'm ok .


    If I'm to believe this vision drover her to that, then she has to be consumed! Wrecked, tortured, beyond belief, driven bat-shit insane, where she really believed what she was doing was right.
    If she believed it, there can be no easy ...Oh that was weird, but i'm ok now ,walk back from that vision. It has to believably be; rip-your-own-face-off, all consuming, torturous, complete agony, to drive her there.

    So either the vision was all consuming powerful driving her insane, and she's long term effected, to the core of her being.
    Or it's not consuming, it wasn't that big a deal, effect was just a little consuming, and she's just easily swayed to murderer.
    Which is it.?
    She can't just be fine, ...after eating cake.

    And even worse, everyone is ok with it. :lol:
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  20. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 7, 2011
    Aug 10, 1999
    They have to explain it as Oh's mind-meld drove Jurati temporarily insane. That the mind-meld did something to her to make her act on command. If it wasn't really her, if it was Oh manipulating her, I wouldn't be thrilled with how they dealt with it, but I could live with it as a compromise. That they at least gave an explanation. Even if it was a sci-fi one. Otherwise, this is the biggest plot hole in Picard. It's not a minor nitpicky one. They glossed over something serious.

    Other than that one thing, I like the character. You have to have that one "normal" person.