After seeing Pike in action, I would love a pre-TOS Enterprise show

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by ISS_Einstein, Jan 26, 2019.

  1. ISS_Einstein

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    Honestly the new season has been a joy to watch so far. It feels much more like Star Trek. The producers seem to have taken on board constructive criticism some of the more controversial things in the first season. Characters are more endearing, and have names now. On the production-design-side, they gave the Klingons hair. There is even a Klingon D7 Battlecruiser in one of the trailers. But on the deeper side, the show feels more optimistic and rationally plotted, the universe more fleshed out.

    I think in general, one of the things many internet commentators agree is that Pike is an absolute joy to watch. A professional, compassionate and inspiring captain who believes in the ideals of the Federation. If counted as one of the main character captains of the last five decades, he would be amongst the best.

    If CBS wants to broaden the amount of Star Trek shows, this could be a chance, although admittedly, it does place a lot of material in the same general era. So far, the Star Trek franchise looks something like this:

    2150s - Star Trek: Enterprise

    2250s - Star Trek: Discovery
    2260s - Star Trek: The Original Series
    2260s - Star Trek: The Animated Series

    2360s - Star Trek: The Next Generation
    2360s - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
    2370s - Star Trek: Voyager


    With the plans currently in the pipeline, the Picard and Section 31 (I'm not sure about the wisdom of doing Section 31, but it's happening) shows, the different eras look something like this:

    2150s - Star Trek: Enterprise

    2250s - Star Trek: Discovery
    2250s - Star Trek: (Section 31)
    2260s - Star Trek: The Original Series
    2260s - Star Trek: The Animated Series
    2270s - Star Trek: (Ceti alpha V)

    2360s - Star Trek: The Next Generation
    2360s - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
    2370s - Star Trek: Voyager
    2390s - Star Trek: (Picard)


    Although obviously, all this couldn't happen at once, I can think of lots of ideas for shows that could be good. love a short series about the Romulan War and maybe a NASA-like early origins Star Trek, plus follow ups:

    2120s - Star Trek: [Origins] - zero-G, primative ships, Kzinti war, warp 2, EVA space-walks, etc
    2150s - Star Trek: Enterprise
    2150s - Star Trek: [The Romulan War] - some kind of Designated Survivor political war show?

    2250s - Star Trek: Discovery
    2250s - Star Trek: (Section 31)
    2250s - Star Trek: [Early Voyages] - Pike, Number One, Spock, five-year-mission, new worlds
    2260s - Star Trek: The Original Series
    2260s - Star Trek: The Animated Series
    2270s - Star Trek: (Ceti alpha V)
    2270s - Star Trek: [Phase II] - the original series characters in a CGI animated TMP-era five-year mission

    2360s - Star Trek: The Next Generation
    2360s - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
    2370s - Star Trek: Voyager
    2390s - Star Trek: (Picard)

    2460s - Star Trek: [Challenger] - a new ship exploring the final frontier, new extra-galactic adversary
    2460s - Star Trek: [Pioneer] - a spin off about archeologists studying ancient Ringworlds and stuff
     
  2. WarpFactorZ

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    Wow, I got franchise fatigue just reading that.
     
  3. ISS_Einstein

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    Yeah I don't believe in "franchise fatigue".

    Sounds like one of those wishy washy corporate terms that out-of-touch CEOs use to describe a failure, when they were themselves to blame.

    I believe when a franchise stops holding interest, it's down to creativity, not audiences being saturated. Writers can get bored of their own work, and lose their sense of joy. The material they create will reflect it. But possibility itself is endless.

    I don't expect Star Trek will have 8 simultanious shows or anything, it was just a bit of fun.
     
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    You obviously weren't around for Berman Trek. I was a rabid Trekkie and was ecstatic when TNG premiered. By 1995 I was bored of it and gave up. I watched about two episodes of Enterprise out of curiosity, but it never stuck.

    That's franchise fatigue.
     
  5. Butters

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    I’m the same, but I wasn’t bored of Star Trek, I just wasn’t impressed with their output.

    TNG was good because it was what it was, but it the stinkers were increasingly frequent toward the end.

    DS9 was trying to be B5, but they hadn’t thought it through so made it up as they went along, and it showed.

    Voyager was promised to be a different sort of trek on a different sort of ship. A divided crew, limited resources, the ship was promised to take damage and be fixed with scavenged alien components. It was the cosiest series of them all.

    Enterprise, again. Without the tech to fall back on, and humans being new to space exploration, it wasn’t meant to be more of the same, but more of the same is exactly what it was.

    By the end of TNG, we were ready for more than bumpy forehead alien of the week.
     
  6. .:: TSN ::.

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    Franchise fatique comes from doing same thing over and over again. We had TNG, VOY and ENT being basically the same series. Ship with a crew that got along and an alien of the week.

    VOY could have been an early Battlestar Galactica if RDM had been given the reins. And ENT should have been much more limited in scope. More primitive ship and more Earth stuff.
     
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  7. fireproof78

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    Pretty much this. Add in the fact that there was a lot of competition from other SF shows, and the SciFi channel coming in to its own and Trek lost my interest.

    Write good material and people will stick around.
     
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  8. STEPhon IT

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    What was it like during that time? Were the episodes (DS9/VOY) on back to back; my family has a ton of Star Trek during that time--Star Trek - Special Edition from the SciFi Channel-- on VHS, including reruns of TNG?

    With CBS running Star Trek, you have no idea how far this network will run the tables on milking what's left of it.
     
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  9. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    TNG and DS9 were in first-run syndication. Their channel and timeslot would vary by local market.

    VGR and ENT were on the short-lived UPN network, and thus aired in regular timeslots. While DS9 and VGR overlapped, the channel running DS9 might or might not have also been your local UPN affiliate.
     
  10. fireproof78

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    Yes, how dare they...:shrug:
     
  11. WarpFactorZ

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    When TNG was the only Trek show on TV, it was fun to look forward to each weekly episode. DS9 rolled around in '93 and added a new dimension to the universe, which was novel. From that point on, there were two weekly Trek doses, and in my market they were back to back. TNG ended in '94, and Voyager quickly filled the gap with the promise of being different. But the "threat" of being stranded in the Delta Quadrant never felt real because they technobabble-problem solved everything, and I felt the show quickly became a poor copy of TNG. The magic of weekly Trek dissipated fast at that point.

    I stuck with DS9 for about two seasons and Voyager for one, but stopped watching shortly thereafter because I simply couldn't muster the interest.

    To be honest, I'm already skeptical about the laundry list of shows supposedly in development. I like Discovery and I'm very much looking forward to the Picard Show. Beyond that, Georgiou-31 and Lower Decks just don't sound interesting at all. A Khan series can go either way, depending on how it's done. But again, why should I care about the adventures of a genocidal dictator who gets his share of Karma because his kingdom is blasted with eternal sand storms?

    All this has happened before, and ...
     
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  12. N-121973

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    I would love a Pre-TOS series involving Chris Pike captaining the Enterprise during its third commission as her captain. What would it be called? For the record the Enterprise's first commission was under Robert April, its second & third under Chris Pike and its fourth & fifth under some guy named Kirk, but I don't think too much is known about him ;).
     
  13. King Daniel Beyond

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    Wait until the end of the season. You may love the idea of a Pike/Spock series now, but they've got plenty of time to "pull a Lorca" and ruin them.
     
  14. STEPhon IT

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    I heard there was a great divide within fans when DS9 and VOY were running. I've heard some drama from my inner circle; what was it like in your neck of the woods? Were there Trekfans ramping competition on what was the better show???
     
  15. Bry_Sinclair

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    I am sick of prequels ruining canon. Move forward not backwards.
     
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  16. USS Firefly

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    I agree, just go further after nemesis
     
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  17. King Daniel Beyond

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    If only they were doing just that...;)
     
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    ^ If only they do it well, which remains to be seen.
     
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    If they don't do it well then it can be ignored.
     
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  20. Ovation

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    I don’t usually quote myself but...

    There are NO canon violations in Star Trek. Not in any series or movies. None. Anything on screen, endorsed by the owners of the Trek IP, is canon.

    There are, and have been in each iteration, a number of continuity violations, however. :p

    ;)

    (from a DSC forum thread)