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Advice on leaving Vista.. for XP? Linux?

Danoz

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Hey,

I've made the decision to leave Vista. What would be the best way to go about this? I imagine I'd have to do a complete wipe of the system, backup everything and start from scratch. Is it worth it to try Linux? Or should I go with XP? What are my options? Before you answer, here are my specs:

Windows Vista Business (6.0)
Sony Vaio (VGN-SZ430N)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200 @ 2.0Ghz
2046MB RAM
DirectX 10

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7400
Version: 7.15.0010.9735
333MB approx. total memory
DirectDraw, Direct3D, AGP Texture Acceleration = enabled
All latest drivers installed.

The computer is about a year old, and right now the fan is so noisy you'd think I was mowing the lawn.

Thanks
 
In regards to the fan, open up the computer, and clean it up.
:-)

As for advice on leaving Vista ...
Well, it depends for what exactly you will be using the computer in question.
You could install both XP Pro SP3 (slipstreamed into the original installation) and Linux.
Like that you will have a dual-boot option until you make a decision on which one to keep (or keep both) as you will be able to work on both.
 
If you're a world-class computer nerd that doesn't mind EVERYTHING being Open-Source (and probably needing to be debugged), Linux is a good way to go. I'm planning on experimenting with Ubuntu in the near future.

If you want to play games and use the plethora of software available at your local retailers, go with XP Pro.
 
If you havent used Linux before I would recommend installing XP. Then use the Ubuntu Wubi install(it installs from within windows and is built into the Ubuntu CD). That lets you install linux in a "virtual" partition so you don't actually have to partition your hard. You still use it like any native install,(its not a virtual machine) you select it at bootup, drivers are normal etc. However, it gives you the advantage of having both OSes on your system without partitioning, and if you decide you don't like it, its uninstallable like any other windows App. The only downside is a minor performance hit(something like 2% i believe).
 
So far after 2 weeks I really like Vista, Its as stable as my old Windows XP with SP3. I'm surprised so many people dislike it!

RAMA
 
So far after 2 weeks I really like Vista, Its as stable as my old Windows XP with SP3. I'm surprised so many people dislike it!

RAMA

For what it's worth, according to Vista's Reliability and Performance Monitor my system has experienced four OS failures over the past 12 months, most recently back April. Application failures are most commonly associated with VLC, Firefox, and games based on the Source engine.
 
Windows Vista Business (6.0)
Sony Vaio (VGN-SZ430N)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200 @ 2.0Ghz
2046MB RAM
DirectX 10

Well if you leave Vista no DX 10 - so if you like your DX10 games they will probably not look as good under XP, and clearly not run at all under Linux (I know emulators yadda yadda but who has that much time).

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7400
Version: 7.15.0010.9735
333MB approx. total memory
DirectDraw, Direct3D, AGP Texture Acceleration = enabled
All latest drivers installed.
That said this is not a DX10 card - so ignore that really...

Why are you leaving Vista? It might be fundamentally rubbish now on some levels but in a year or so will probably be stable and have reasonable performance on your system?

As for Linux, it is a great achievement to have such a varied selection of software available for free with a free OS. BUT - it is bluddy hard to get everything working, installing the NVIDIA drivers can be a pig, getting sound to work can be a pig, downloading multimedia codecs can be a pig (just use VLC, the default media player with Ubuntu and Fedora is a rubbish WMP clone) AND most of the free software runs just as well in Windows as it does in Linux....

Linux is great as an OS for low cost servers - in a back office running Apache and never booting X you can have an SMTP server, Apache web server, whatever you like really, all without paying a penny for the software. As a desktop OS for the average user though it has a long way to go, and is still and enthusiasts system IMHO.
 
If you aren't afraid of some fiddling, OS X can be made to run on PC hardware without much effort. The OSx86 scene is at the point now where a retail disc can be booted on a non-Mac PC, making it possible for the first time to install a retail copy without first modifying the disc image and burning a copy (which is the method that I've undertaken.)

I heartily recommend it. :techman:
 
Well if you leave Vista no DX 10 - so if you like your DX10 games they will probably not look as good under XP, and clearly not run at all under Linux (I know emulators yadda yadda but who has that much time).

Since all D3D10 features are available via OpenGL on DX10 cards, it should be possible (in principal) to design a system to intercept DX10 calls and forward them appropriately. I'm sure something of the sort exists. That would allow DX10 games to work on XP, as well.....at least from the graphics perspective.
 
I would go with Linux. But Linux, despite what people would have us believe, it NOT a "plug and play" and "happy go lucky" OS. (Just like Firefox is NOT) I down loaded the last Ubuntu release and instantly had to download 206 updates and security fixes. I did like the run inside with XP functuon though.

Video cards and drivers are very very important, possibly the most important part of Linux. And there have been reports of problems with wide screen monitors too by some.

Other drivers must be searched for and scrounged up from the net also.

I'm looking for a low cost Linux laptop. I want to play with my computer again, not have a "toaster" sitting on a table.
 
If you aren't afraid of some fiddling, OS X can be made to run on PC hardware without much effort. The OSx86 scene is at the point now where a retail disc can be booted on a non-Mac PC, making it possible for the first time to install a retail copy without first modifying the disc image and burning a copy (which is the method that I've undertaken.)

I heartily recommend it. :techman:

And there it is....
 
If you're asking this question then the answer is XP. I always wonder why people seriously recommend Linux. Unless you've got some need for it it's really not worth the hassle. You know where you are with Windows and you know most software and hardware will work with it right out of the box.

I have to wonder though, what problems do you have with Vista?

Charlie
 
Danoz, one thing you might want to check is whether there are XP drivers for your hardware. Lack of XP drivers is increasingly common for new hardware, and that would certainly simplify your choice.

With regard to Linux usage: give it a whirl. If you've got an extra CD, you can easily burn a Live CD to play with the OS and see if it plays nice with your hardware. If you don't like it, don't install it. I've always found Linux to be very user-friendly, even though a lot of people in this thread seem to have had bad experiences. If you have questions about it, feel free to ask. Keep in mind, though, that it is not a drop-in replacement for XP, nor is it intended to be. There will be a learning curve with it, just as there would be if you wanted to switch to OS X. If you want to maintain the status quo on your computer, XP seems by far to be the best option.
 
I did at least find that OSS worked for my X-Fi sound card on Fedora 9, but on installing the nVidia drivers for my 7800GT Card(s) I found I could no longer boot to the GUI, with instead the screen flickering and dumping me out on the prompt.

Worse still after using the prompt to reinstate my old X config file it STILL did not work.

Anyone here had this problem? Anyone know how I can save my install?
 
NVIDIA GeForce Go 7400
Version: 7.15.0010.9735
333MB approx. total memory
DirectDraw, Direct3D, AGP Texture Acceleration = enabled
All latest drivers installed.
That said this is not a DX10 card - so ignore that really...

As for Linux, it is a great achievement to have such a varied selection of software available for free with a free OS. BUT - it is bluddy hard to get everything working, installing the NVIDIA drivers can be a pig, getting sound to work can be a pig, downloading multimedia codecs can be a pig (just use VLC, the default media player with Ubuntu and Fedora is a rubbish WMP clone)

Sure it's bloody hard if you have a part that happens to lack a Linux driver. But from what I can tell he has a VAIO SZ430N with a Nvidia graphics card. With Ubuntu he shouldn't have any driver issues.

Linux is great as an OS for low cost servers - in a back office running Apache and never booting X you can have an SMTP server, Apache web server, whatever you like really, all without paying a penny for the software. As a desktop OS for the average user though it has a long way to go, and is still and enthusiasts system IMHO.

For the average user it's a great desktop because the average desktop user only surf the web, chat on IMs, read emails, listen to some mp3s, watch some videos, and do some simple word processing and picture editing. They don't do hardcore photoshop, video editing, gaming, or other things.

In certain areas like video/picture editing Linux is only lacking because the leading solution provider won't port their softwares over.

But in other areas such as engineering when the leading solution providers does provide a *nix version there is a tendency to use *nix rather than windows.
 
For the average user it's a great desktop because the average desktop user only surf the web, chat on IMs, read emails,

So they only have to worry about the tendency of too many websites to cater for IE (poor practise and not linux's fault). Admittedly Firefox runs as well in Linux as in Windows, and most linux mail apps are excellent.

listen to some mp3s
This bit gets my goat every time - you cannot play Mp3s on install with ANY version of linux as by default you do not get the codecs as they are not open source and there are licensing issues. This is by no means as bad or as stupid as the DRM loaded proprietary codecs of Apple or MS - but there needs to be an understanding here, the average desktop user likes MP3, not Ogg Vorbis.

, watch some videos, and do some simple word processing and picture editing. They don't do hardcore photoshop, video editing, gaming, or other things.
However most of them do install software. Most popular software many average users install (like ITunes) will not work on Linux - end of story, and there is little commercial incentive to write a port for it, as the distros vary so wildly.

The average user might like to use their PC as a media center too, impossible under linux (the SP-DIF pass-throughs just don't work, HDMI? Forget it...)

In certain areas like video/picture editing Linux is only lacking because the leading solution provider won't port their softwares over.
No commercial incentive, as of yet anyway.

But in other areas such as engineering when the leading solution providers does provide a *nix version there is a tendency to use *nix rather than windows.
Linux has much potential in specialized roles, totally agreed. It can be used very successfully in many areas where Unix was once universal, but is not a plausible alternative to Windows for most desktop PCs.

On laptops like the EEE PC there is much benefit in a linux distro to do the basics, but it has brick walls.
 
So they only have to worry about the tendency of too many websites to cater for IE (poor practise and not linux's fault). Admittedly Firefox runs as well in Linux as in Windows, and most linux mail apps are excellent.

Consider that firefox is the most used browser by linux users I really don't see what point you are trying to make here.

listen to some mp3s
This bit gets my goat every time - you cannot play Mp3s on install with ANY version of linux as by default you do not get the codecs as they are not open source and there are licensing issues. This is by no means as bad or as stupid as the DRM loaded proprietary codecs of Apple or MS - but there needs to be an understanding here, the average desktop user likes MP3, not Ogg Vorbis.

Huh? The codecs in Linux are nearly all open sourced. It's just that no Linux distributer can include them as binaries due to patent issues.

As of Ubuntu 8.10 it's as simple as pasting the following line "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras" into the terminal to get any codec you'll need or equivalently 3 clicks in the gui package manager. Even in Windows you have to install a DVD player for dvd playback and special codec packs for MPEG-4 playbacks.

However most of them do install software. Most popular software many average users install (like ITunes) will not work on Linux - end of story, and there is little commercial incentive to write a port for it, as the distros vary so wildly.

iTunes is only irreplaceable in the sense that it's the only software that works with the iTunes store. However there are millions of users who don't use the iTunes store. They can certainly pick another player like amaroK which will work just as well if not better.


The average user might like to use their PC as a media center too, impossible under linux (the SP-DIF pass-throughs just don't work, HDMI? Forget it...)

If a person is running a HTPC then he or she is certainly not the average user.

Also I am not sure where did you get your info but it's definitely possible to build a High Definition media center using Linux. I could turn one of my linux machines into one right now without much tweaking. Sure I do need a new sound card for S/PDIF output to the video card and a Blu-ray burner for Blu-ray playback but at the moment I could output video through HDMI. It's not a OS restriction at all.

In certain areas like video/picture editing Linux is only lacking because the leading solution provider won't port their softwares over.
No commercial incentive, as of yet anyway.

But in other areas such as engineering when the leading solution providers does provide a *nix version there is a tendency to use *nix rather than windows.
Linux has much potential in specialized roles, totally agreed. It can be used very successfully in many areas where Unix was once universal, but is not a plausible alternative to Windows for most desktop PCs. [/quote]

I don't really see how is it only for specialized role. Engineering isn't any more specialized than professional video/photo editing. Lets see what I have done on my Linux boxes and a linux laptop for last 5 years. I have browsed websites, sent about 4k emails, accumulated tens of thousands of lines of IM/IRC chats. I have listened to about few thousand songs and watched few thousand videos. I also did nearly all of my school work on those computers as well as hundreds of picture editing. I've also used one of the linux box as an media center (audio only). Of course I had a SVN server and an apache server running at one point.

Yes Linux is ready as desktop option for a lot more people than its current market share would indicate.
 
Yes Linux is ready as desktop option for a lot more people than its current market share would indicate.

And in those last few years, Linux has been catching up to OS X at a constant and steady rate. Almost neck and neck.

I don't forsee another version of Windows in my future...
 
Yes Linux is ready as desktop option for a lot more people than its current market share would indicate.

And in those last few years, Linux has been catching up to OS X at a constant and steady rate. Almost neck and neck.

Sez who? :lol:

Linux has a market share somewhere between pathetic and laughable while Apple continues to run away in every satisfaction and usablity survey out there while posting double-digit growth every year.

Say what you will about the company, and there's plenty to say, their user experience is second-to-none.

Now if only they'd get off their duffs and code me up some copy-and-paste for my friggin' iPhone. :lol:
 
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