Admiral Janeway and Kes question

[Fedor]

Hi fellow fellow Star Trek nerds. I got into Star Trek as a kid and progressed to SNG, DS9 and Voyager. I never really got into Enterprise. Hopefully something new will come out soon.

I was rewatching some old Voyager episodes and had a question.

In the "Fury" epsiode, if future Kes would have been killed, then Janeway said that everything would have started over again. Threefore, future Kes was spared the second time and was able to go back home.

In the "Endgame" epsisode, Admiral Janeway was partially assimilated and I believe blown up and died. Wouldn't this have had an effect on the future? Doesn't this contradict with the "Fury" episode?

Thanks a lot and I look forward to spending more time here. It looks loke a pretty cool forum.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The "future" of "Fury" where Old Kes shows up and starts raising hell on Voyager is actually the present - and well before "Endgame" (both the original timeline and the ending one where Voyager gets home much earlier)

 

[Finn]

Hi fellow fellow Star Trek nerds. I got into Star Trek as a kid and progressed to SNG, DS9 and Voyager. I never really got into Enterprise. Hopefully something new will come out soon.

I was rewatching some old Voyager episodes and had a question.

In the "Fury" epsiode, if future Kes would have been killed, then Janeway said that everything would have started over again. Threefore, future Kes was spared the second time and was able to go back home.

In the "Endgame" epsisode, Admiral Janeway was partially assimilated and I believe blown up and died. Wouldn't this have had an effect on the future? Doesn't this contradict with the "Fury" episode?

Thanks a lot and I look forward to spending more time here. It looks loke a pretty cool forum.

How much Voyager are you familiar with?

And it's geeks not nerds. Many of us are too cool to be nerds

 

[Fedor]

Hi fellow fellow Star Trek nerds. I got into Star Trek as a kid and progressed to SNG, DS9 and Voyager. I never really got into Enterprise. Hopefully something new will come out soon.

I was rewatching some old Voyager episodes and had a question.

In the "Fury" epsiode, if future Kes would have been killed, then Janeway said that everything would have started over again. Threefore, future Kes was spared the second time and was able to go back home.

In the "Endgame" epsisode, Admiral Janeway was partially assimilated and I believe blown up and died. Wouldn't this have had an effect on the future? Doesn't this contradict with the "Fury" episode?

Thanks a lot and I look forward to spending more time here. It looks loke a pretty cool forum.

How much Voyager are you familiar with?

And it's geeks not nerds. Many of us are too cool to be nerds

I bought the complete series, 7 DVD's, about 6-7 years ago. I watched the series off and on when it aired. To answer your question, I would say I am a Voyager noob. I have nowhere near the knowledge that most of the people on this site have. I am just a casual fan.

 

[Fedor]

I was also a little confused about the Tachyon beam Admiral janeway used to open up a spacial rift and go back to the old Voyager. I think I am getting a better understanding of the whole episode.

It is kind of confusing to me to be honest.

 

[Fedor]

The "future" of "Fury" where Old Kes shows up and starts raising hell on Voyager is actually the present - and well before "Endgame" (both the original timeline and the ending one where Voyager gets home much earlier)

I just figured that it was a litle contradictory between the Fury epsidoe and the Endgame episode.

I guess I need to to a lot more research on the timelines and the rules of time travel, etc..

Thanks for your help.

 

[Guy Gardener]

In Timeline "A" Kes' corpse is not in the hold. Kes attacks, and Janeway is surprised by the attack. B'Elanna dies and Kes goes back in time to destroy Voyager on Day 56. The "timeline" continues to hold together after Kes goes back in time and is not dissolved by the paradox.

In Timeline "B" Kes shows up on day 56 after Caretaker, Janeway kills her. Kes' body is stored in the hold for 6 years, and young Kes knows all about it. Kes leaves. 6 years later Kes attacks, but Janeway is NOT surprised by the attack. B'Elanna survives unscathed and Kes goes back to Ocampa in a ship at regular warp speed despite already saying that the Ocampa considered her a freak (Gary Mitchel Much?) and the trip back might take her 30 years, if she doesn't have cool technology to fracture the journey time without sharing any such cool technology so that her good friend Janeway can arrive in Earth Space in just weeks instead of decades.

"Thoughtless *****."

Or...

Kes is going to die of old age still 29 years march from Ocampa because the cute little button was so senile she forgot her own mortality.

Ramifications.

If we had always been watching timeline "A" on our VHS Tapes until Fury, ipso facto, none but the first 3 or 4 of our VHS Tapes actually happened for the first 6 years as the crew remembered it happening because those were different people from a different timeline experiencing those adventures differently.

Or

Timeline "B" had always been what we had been watching, but it could never have come to exist without cross-fertilization from a foreign timeline which means that Crazy Kes trying not to destroy Voyager is not predestined and this is just another universe/timeline she was not born in which she was playing silly buggers in.

So, yeah, the Fury adventure began in a parallel timeline which fathered the timeline we are familiar with while we were watching.

Sexy.

If B'Elanna is dead in timeline A, then MIral Paris wouldn't exist enough to fetch the temporal device off those Klingon's form the las Vegas Experience, and about a billion billion other subtle differences right up to and including Voyager not making it home period.

Timline B however is plain sailing straight through to Endgame even if the crew are strangers to us, and we're not invested in them.

 

[Fedor]

Thanks a lot Guy Gardener! That is an excellent post. Thanks for taking the time to post that.

It is still confusing to me, but at least I have something to reference now.

 

[Finn]

^dont take his posts seriously...please. He posts spoofs

 

[Guy Gardener]

Would you prefer that I spoofed posts?

 

[exodus]

Hi fellow fellow Star Trek nerds. I got into Star Trek as a kid and progressed to SNG, DS9 and Voyager. I never really got into Enterprise. Hopefully something new will come out soon.

I was rewatching some old Voyager episodes and had a question.

In the "Fury" epsiode, if future Kes would have been killed, then Janeway said that everything would have started over again. Threefore, future Kes was spared the second time and was able to go back home.

In the "Endgame" epsisode, Admiral Janeway was partially assimilated and I believe blown up and died. Wouldn't this have had an effect on the future? Doesn't this contradict with the "Fury" episode?

Thanks a lot and I look forward to spending more time here. It looks loke a pretty cool forum.

No, "Fury" doesn't but "Before & After" does.
Kes' death at the start of B&A takes place after the end of "Endgame". So if Kes stayed on Voyager, without Janeway they weren't getting home.