About the books...

[Deranged Nasat]

I had written something longer about politics here, but I discarded it because I thought it somewhat off topic. I will say, however, that in my experience nationality has little to do with the effectiveness of politicians. I will also say, welcome to the Trek BBS, Bluesteel!

 

[Bluesteel]

Yeah, you're young, all right. Do tell, which nation do you live in where political representatives are all unerringly wise and noble and never pander to the majority?

After watching Parlimentary debates for sometime. I would have to say the UK. The MPs either vote for what their whip tells them to do or they rebel. I can't really think or an MP who would vote for the winning side all the time. He would be considered unreliable by the whips.

Exactly how young are you, to think that there are any excuses that cannot be used as a pretext for threatening (if not actually launching) a war?

We're talking about the federation here. They pride themselves on being nice and good. It would be unrealistic to expect them to attack a single planet for a terrible reason. It's bad PR. Imagine the political fallout. Other tiny planets who want to join the Federation would be afraid.

So, you want a media tie-in novel that doesn't actually tie in to the media property.

Set in the Universe but not dwelling in the past.



I don't think we should derail the thread.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Yeah, you're young, all right. Do tell, which nation do you live in where political representatives are all unerringly wise and noble and never pander to the majority?

After watching Parlimentary debates for sometime. I would have to say the UK. The MPs either vote for what their whip tells them to do or they rebel. I can't really think or an MP who would vote for the winning side all the time. He would be considered unreliable by the whips.

I'm sorry, Bluesteel, but I must say as a fellow native the concept of our politicians as wise and noble is something I'm incapable of agreeing with.

 

[Thor Damar]

^ Yeah I'm going to have to agree with my fellow Brit above on this one

Just look at 'em especially our former PM....

 

[Bluesteel]

Yeah, you're young, all right. Do tell, which nation do you live in where political representatives are all unerringly wise and noble and never pander to the majority?

After watching Parlimentary debates for sometime. I would have to say the UK. The MPs either vote for what their whip tells them to do or they rebel. I can't really think or an MP who would vote for the winning side all the time. He would be considered unreliable by the whips.

I'm sorry, Bluesteel, but I must say as a fellow native the concept of our politicians as wise and noble is something I'm incapable of agreeing with.

I've never said they were wise and noble. Those two things are impossible for politicians. How ever the UK political system is completely different from America. David Davis disagreed with the what Brown was doing. Instead of going around like the Republicans and talking about death panel. He resigned to force a by-election. There is a massive difference.

 

[Christopher]

That's not about the political system, just the political climate. It's an abuse of the system rather than a exemplar of it.

 

[captcalhoun]

After watching Parlimentary debates for sometime. I would have to say the UK. The MPs either vote for what their whip tells them to do or they rebel. I can't really think or an MP who would vote for the winning side all the time. He would be considered unreliable by the whips.

I'm sorry, Bluesteel, but I must say as a fellow native the concept of our politicians as wise and noble is something I'm incapable of agreeing with.

I've never said they were wise and noble. Those two things are impossible for politicians. How ever the UK political system is completely different from America. David Davis disagreed with the what Brown was doing. Instead of going around like the Republicans and talking about death panel. He resigned to force a by-election. There is a massive difference.

and everyone, his own party leader included, thought it was a complete waste of fucking time. which it was.

 

[DimesDan]

I'm sorry, Bluesteel, but I must say as a fellow native the concept of our politicians as wise and noble is something I'm incapable of agreeing with.

I've never said they were wise and noble. Those two things are impossible for politicians. How ever the UK political system is completely different from America. David Davis disagreed with the what Brown was doing. Instead of going around like the Republicans and talking about death panel. He resigned to force a by-election. There is a massive difference.

and everyone, his own party leader included, thought it was a complete waste of fucking time. which it was.

Firstly, I agree whole heartedly agree with Deranged and Thors comments.

Secondly, yep it was, now I'm an avid follower of British Politics and was often the go too guy at uni when doing political stories, but I for the life can't remember why Mr Davies threw his toys out of the pram and forced the By Election - something to do with Iraq right?

 

[Bluesteel]

Do they go around slinging mud at each other in such a public manner has the Americans do? Do they question the validity of leaders? A good example is our media. In America you get hateful channels like Fox News. The worst we have is The Daily Mail and The Sun. The Sun opinion is formed by popular reaction rather then ideology and the Daily Mail is just Daily Mail.

 

[Christopher]

Again, that's not intrinsic to America, it's just the current political mood. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't talk about those hatemongers as if they were typical of Americans. They're just a very loud, aggressive minority. The election of President Obama should be proof enough that they don't represent the thoughts and attitudes of the American people to the extent that they claim they do.

 

[Thor Damar]

I've never said they were wise and noble. Those two things are impossible for politicians. How ever the UK political system is completely different from America. David Davis disagreed with the what Brown was doing. Instead of going around like the Republicans and talking about death panel. He resigned to force a by-election. There is a massive difference.

and everyone, his own party leader included, thought it was a complete waste of fucking time. which it was.

Firstly, I agree whole heartedly agree with Deranged and Thors comments.

Secondly, yep it was, now I'm an avid follower of British Politics and was often the go too guy at uni when doing political stories, but I for the life can't remember why Mr Davies threw his toys out of the pram and forced the By Election - something to do with Iraq right?

It was over the civil liberties I believe; he resigned over 90 days detention as I understand it and tried to use the by-election to force the issue with the government.
Of course he had a safe seat and promptly won the election having zero effect on the debate...

Ah British elections, decided by a handful of safe seats with the votes of those who would not know politics if it bit 'em on the arse. How I love it

Sorry about the rant I'll get back into my Cardassian persona...

 

[captcalhoun]

Do they go around slinging mud at each other in such a public manner has the Americans do? Do they question the validity of leaders?

um, YES! and Yes again.

you really are out of touch aren't you? Cameron's always taking shots at Brown. everyone takes shots at Brown. EVEN his OWN party, when they're not taking shots at the cons.

and Cameron's the biggest con of all, Cam the Sham, all spin and no substance! spins more than a 78 record!