Abiogenesis and life on Earth - thoughts and pet theories?

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Where and how did life on Earth first arise?

  1. Warm little pond, metabolism first

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  2. Warm little pond, membrane first

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  3. Warm little pond, heredity (RNA/DNA/clay/?) first

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  4. Tidal pool, metabolism first

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  5. Tidal pool, membrane first

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  6. Tidal pool, heredity (RNA/DNA/clay/?) first

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  7. Alkaline vent, metabolism first

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  8. Alkaline vent, membrane first

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  9. Alkaline vent, heredity (RNA/DNA/clay/?) first

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  10. Black smoker, metabolism first

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  11. Black smoker, membrane first

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  12. Black smoker, heredity (RNA/DNA/clay/?) first

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  13. Panspermia - life arrived from elsewhere

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  14. Flying Spaghetti Monster or deity of choice

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  15. Other...

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  1. Moviefan2k4

    Moviefan2k4 Captain Red Shirt

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    I was simply pointing out that since the universe is not eternal, a cause for it has to exist which is. That's the only way to escape an infinite regress - otherwise you're just stuck with asking "Well, who made that?", forever.
     
  2. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    Or, we continue to learn and eventually figure out how things work.
     
  3. Timelord Victorious

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    We don’t know that it isn’t.
    Cosmic inflation model, what is commonly refered to as the Big Bang, doesn’t describe the moments before the known universe rapidly inflated.
    How much before there is, we haven’t got the slightest clue yet and we may never.

    A „who“ presupposition is a very blatant human bias.
    What caused this? Oh, it must be something just like me! No thanks.
     
  4. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    This is where I struggle with religion.
     
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  6. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Turtles all the way down, as one story goes.
    I have been enjoying a series by an astrophysicist about their process on observing the universe. Quite fascinating.
     
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  7. Serveaux

    Serveaux Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    What's your point?

    The better formulation is "Why is that?" anyway. "Who" is an unnecessary assumption.
     
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  8. Asbo Zaprudder

    Asbo Zaprudder Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah, all eukaryotes (including us) appear to be a product of symbiogenesis, which allowed our archaea ancestors to survive and to exploit the increasing levels of oxygen produced by cyanobacteria. Chloroplasts in plants are another example. Of course, in the fictional Star Wars galaxy, there are the midi-chlorians, which George Lucas acknowledged are based on mitochondria.
     
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  9. BK613

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    Which one?
     
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  11. fireproof78

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    Dr. Hugh Ross.

    He is an open Christian, but he discusses the origins of the universe, looking at how the universe functions in relationship to life on Earth.
     
  12. Asbo Zaprudder

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    Ross is an old-Earth creationist who rejects evolution by natural selection and tries to shoehorn science into compliance with the Old Testament by interpreting the days (yamim) of Genesis as being akin to geologic ages. His views seem redolent of confirmation bias, but, then, the science around life's origin is non-falsifiable in any case - even if we could cook up membranes, inheritance, metabolism and protein synthesis experimentally and combine them into a living cell. He does agree with most scientific authorities that intelligent design should not be taught in schools as science. For that, we should be truly thankful.
     
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  13. fireproof78

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    I don't agree with all of his presentations, but he is an interesting and I have garner much knowledge form him and then go and read the documents he cites.

    So, I will take that as a positive and an opportunity to learn.
     
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  14. BK613

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    I was actually asking about what series you were enjoying. Apologies. Sometimes in my desire for brevity I'm not as clear as I intended.