A question...

[ICW]

It's a fairly simple question:

What are some novels that have been contradicted by the television series and movies? For example, I heard the S.C.E. novel Interphase, which deals with the whereabouts of the Constitution-class Defiant, is contradicted by an episode of Enterprise.

 

[Thrawn]

The obvious ones are Federation and Strangers From The Sky, both big event novels that were contradicted by First Contact.

Q-Squared, without some serious bitchfixing, is also contradicted by the later explanations that the Q continuum has never reproduced.

 

[Destructor]

The answer to your question is that the licensed works you are referring to were produced prior to the onscreen stories that contradicted them, and as the books are not considered 'canon', onscreen producers are not obliged to consider them (and indeed, hardly could be expected to know every thing that has happened in all the various Star Trek tie-ins).

 

[Thrawn]

Not to be picky, but that wasn't the answer to his question - he never once asked why that was allowed to happen. He just asked for books where it DID happen.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Final Reflection and Pawns and Symbols are two TOS novels both with very different Klingons to the guys in TNG/DS9/ENT. I love them both.

Spock Must Die!, the second original Trek book, ends with the Organians depriving the Klingons of spaceflight for a thousand years.

Starfleet: Year One is a take on 22nd century Trek that's totally incompatible with Enterprise.

Final Frontier's pre-TOS tech is contradicted by Enterprise, and it's George Kirk, despite being the template for the guy in STXI, is a non-commissioned security officer.

In Collision Course, Kirk's dad is named Joseph.

There are billions more.

 

[ICW]

Thanks for the examples, guys.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Re: George Samuel "Geordie" Kirk the Elder, father of George Samuel "Sam" Kirk the younger, and of James Tiberius Kirk

I don't recall his being a non-com, although I do recall his being in security at the time of Final Frontier. It doesn't preclude his appearance in the latest film (lots of Starfleet officers move around from one division to another), or his death at the beginning of the Abramsverse's divergence.

And as to "Joseph," well, the only works I see in Memory Beta with the title, "Collision Course," are two, possibly three comics and a juvenile novel, none of which are even remotely close to being canonical.

 

[Christopher]

But the movie's (now canonical) Kirk was already first officer of the Kelvin in 2233. Even if you adjust the chronology in Final Frontier, that's set about a decade later. Odds are George would've been a captain by then, or at least still a first officer. Going from XO to security chief seems like a step down.

Of course, FF's version of pre-TOS history has been contradicted in a lot of ways already, long before the new movie came along. The chronology being 60 years earlier from what we now know it to be, the Enterprise being the first-ever vessel to be called a "starship," etc.

 

[captcalhoun]

^that last point was wrong when the book was written dammit.

George wasn't a non-com in Final Frontier, he was a commander.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It's been a while since I read it, so I may be confusing the details of one version of Kirk's dad for another. There have been several.

I might be thinking of the George Kirk in Janus Gate trilogy - it's meant to be the same guy as Final Frontier/Best Destiny, but they may have changed/added to his backstory. I'm certain one of the novels with him in explicitly says he never went to the academy. Maybe it was Collision Course saying it about Joseph Kirk? I know it's not the racist Back To Earth movement politician George Kirk from one of the old Bantam novels, nor Col. Benjamin Kirk from the Gold Key comics .

I'm afraid these details all blur together .

It would make sense if, after the birth of his second child, George Kirk (Final Frontier/Best Destiny version) transferred from the Kelvin to Starbase 2 (I hope I got that right at least!), taking a volentary demotion to security chief to be a few weeks from his family via shuttle rather than a 5-year mission away in deep space.

 

[Christopher]

The version of George in The Janus Gate is pretty hard to reconcile with what's now canonical. In TJG, it was established that Jim Kirk had always had a difficult, uneasy relationship with his father and basically defined himself in opposition to the man, which doesn't seem to mesh with what Spock Prime said in the movie about Kirk Prime's relationship with his father, seeing him as an inspiration and earning his approval.

 

[Therin of Andor]

And as to "Joseph," well, the only works I see in Memory Beta with the title, "Collision Course," are two, possibly three comics and a juvenile novel...

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Academy:_Collision_Course

"Collision Course" is a novel by Shatner and the Reeves-Stevens. Not a juvenile novel; you're probably thinking of the three "Starfleet Academy" YA novels.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Oh. That "Academy." My bad. And it wasn't that long ago that I read it.

Although this Shatnerverse GJK is a reasonable extrapolation from the beloved, but largely absentee GSK Sr. from FF.

But I prefer Best Destiny's extrapolation, and that book's "Troubled Teen" JTK.

Of course, "George Joseph Kirk" could be a relative who adopted Jimmy and Sam, following the death of GSK Sr. at the hands of Nero. After all, we don't see Winona Kirk after the prologue in the new film.