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A Question for the Authors

Leandar

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Hi. Sorry if this has been asked before but I was curious about something. If it's possible to do so, and without going into any kind of details that you're either unable or unwilling to discuss, I was wondering if some of our esteemed authors/editors would feel like describing the process of how a book gets written, from conceiving the story idea or perhaps being given the story idea to the writing and then what happens afterward. It seems to me that it'd be a fascinating story and I was wondering if this process, from idea to reading the published work could be described? Thanks in advance for your time either way you decide.
 
Not to preempt any other responses to this question, but there are more than a few such stories in Voyages of Imagination, available at finer booksellers everywhere.
 
leandar said:
Hi. Sorry if this has been asked before but I was curious about something. If it's possible to do so, and without going into any kind of details that you're either unable or unwilling to discuss, I was wondering if some of our esteemed authors/editors would feel like describing the process of how a book gets written, from conceiving the story idea or perhaps being given the story idea to the writing and then what happens afterward. It seems to me that it'd be a fascinating story and I was wondering if this process, from idea to reading the published work could be described? Thanks in advance for your time either way you decide.

Well, first you sit down and stare at the blank page.

Then you put some words on it.

Then some more words.

Then when you've got about 100,000 words, you find an agent.

Then your agent sends your manuscript around to publishers.

Don't mean to be sarcastic, but that's the outline version.

The full-length version is as unique as each writer who's experienced it.
 
The process varies from book to book, and Bill's correct -- there are huge amounts of ink spilled on that very subject in Jeff Ayers's Voyages of Imagination.

So I'd recommend a) checking out the book and/or b) being more specific with regards to book, since every book is different.... :)
 
If you are interested in a nice horror, read "Probed" on garamet's website. It tells a lot about the book-creation process :)
 
If you are interested in a nice horror, read "Probed" on garamet's website. It tells a lot about the book-creation process :)
If you're into worst-case scenarios, yes.....
 
Larki_Toran said:
If you are interested in a nice horror, read "Probed" on garamet's website. It tells a lot about the book-creation process :)

Not really. It shows a single example of gross mismanagement of a process that ordinarily works quite smoothly. ;)
 
The book I'm sitting down to start this weekend began its life with a discussion with the editor at an agent friend's holiday party last year. We chatted about it a bit, he understood the workload I was already under, and said to send it when I got the chance. So, now that all of my contractual obligations have been fulfilled, I'm sitting down to write the outline for the novel this weekend.

I didn't used to need an outline. I was much more of a "let the plot grow organically out of the characters" writer, but tie-in writing has ruined me on that.

Then, as garamet said, you just sit down and put one word after the other. Some days it's easy. Others it's the hardest thing in the world. But if you want to do this for a living, you have to treat it like you'd treat any other job. Saying "Oh, I'll work on that tomorrow" wouldn't wash at your day job, so why should it wash at your writing job?

Speaking of which, I need to get back to a short story that I wanted to finish before I started the novel outline.
 
KRAD said:
The process varies from book to book, and Bill's correct -- there are huge amounts of ink spilled on that very subject in Jeff Ayers's Voyages of Imagination.

Well, I haven't been able to quite afford the book yet so I'll have to wait a bit on the published stories but I'll get it eventually.

So I'd recommend a) checking out the book and/or b) being more specific with regards to book, since every book is different.... :)

Ok then, if you wish me to be specific then since I'm in the midst of reading Q & A, perhaps you can describe the process of this book?
 
I don't know how this will be received by the authors here (as I understand it, they don't get royalties on 'remaindered' books -- even though buying and selling them is 100% legal) but I just saw copies of "Voyages of the Imagination" for $4.50 + shipping on a .com that sells closeout books. They have LOTS of Trek books available at rock-bottom prices.

Just sayin'.
 
Ok then, if you wish me to be specific then since I'm in the midst of reading Q & A, perhaps you can describe the process of this book?
Margaret called me into her office and said, "How'd you like to write the next post-Nemesis TNG novel after Resistance?" Not being stupid, I said, "YES!" :D

Since this was the 20th anniversary, and since Jeannie was already covering the Borg, my feeling was that this was the ideal time to do the ultimate Q story. After all, TNG began and ended with Q, and I'd had this idea in the back of my head that would tie most of Q's appearances together into a vaguely coherent whole -- after all, there had to be a reason why he kept coming back to annoy Picard. :)

So I wrote an outline. This is always the first major writing step with tie-in fiction, because the detailed plot has to be approved by the licensor. Sometimes the plot is only a couple of pages, sometimes it's 15-30 pages, sometimes it's 60-80 pages, and pick any length between those. :lol:

I gave Margaret a 22-page outline for a novel I called Quite Ugly One Morning (a Warren Zevon song I'm fond of that starts with the letter Q: "From dawn to sundown, it's a long long way / And it's a hollow triumph when you make it to the bottom of another day / There's a fever rising when the evening comes / And when the battle's over there'll be nothing left but the sound of drums"). She sent it back to me with about a thousand notes, as the thing was all over the map. The first note? "Change the title." :lol:

I revised it considerably, and gave it back to Margaret, this time with a new title. I told TerriO I needed a new title for this book that answered all the questions about Q, and she said, "Why not call it Q & A, dumbass?" This is why I'm marrying her. :D

(Ironically, this is my shortest novel title. My previous TNG novel was my longest novel title, A Time for War, a Time for Peace.)

Margaret liked it much better the second time around, and then she sent it to CBS. They approved it with no changes, and I started writing. I sent the first part of the book through my writers group, who pointed out that it was taking too long to get the action going, which caused me to reshuffle a lot of the chapters around (the around-the-galaxy interludes started out later in the book in the first draft).

Then I sent it to Margaret, who had copious notes about various and sundry things, all of which were right on the money. This is what editors do: take us writers' self-indulgent nonsense, beat us over the head with it, and make us take it out. :)

Oh, one other thing with this book, was that Margaret gave me the green light to create a new security chief (since the old one was killed off in Resistance) and a new second officer. I came up with Zelik Leybenzon for the former -- borne of a desire to see a mustang, someone who clawed his way up the ranks, and who doesn't get along all that well with the rest of the crew -- and Miranda Kadohata for the latter -- borne of a desire to see a character dealing with new motherhood, and also one of the 950 people who served on the Enterprise-D that we never saw. :D

I think that covers the high points.....
 
Great story, KRAD. My only other question is, if you don't mind answering it, how long did it take to go from Margaret's asking you to it being published?

So far in the book, my only complaint is there's been no chance for a great smart alecky line along the lines of "Aye sir, commencing emergency butt clench!" :guffaw: Sorry, that's gotta be my favorite line in any Trek book so far!

But in any case, the book is great so far, just as Resistance was. Looking forward to Before Dishonor.
 
Great story, KRAD. My only other question is, if you don't mind answering it, how long did it take to go from Margaret's asking you to it being published?
About a year and a half or so.
 
Daddy Todd said:
they don't get royalties on 'remaindered' books -- even though buying and selling them is 100% legal

Because it's made clear in the contracts.

Tie-ins have slightly different rules and ratios, but generally authors get an "advance": usually an estimate of half of total projected royalties. But... if the book fails to sell to expectations in those first few months, the publisher may cut their losses and remainder the book before it breaks even, so booksellers can clear room for new titles that will sell fast. The author does usually get a chance to buy remaindered backstock of a title from the publisher, at a very low price per unit, ie. stockpiling them in their garage where the books might be worth something at future book signings (or mail orders to avid collectors).

Alternatively, remaindered books are pulped. Sometimes it's cheaper for a publisher to print a new run of a book a few years later, rather than pay warehouse storage costs of a title that sells very slowly but surely.

Some big chain stores discount books heavily - seemingly as heavily as a remaindered book - but this strategy doesn't affect royalties. Sometimes a shop is willing to take a loss on a hot title just to get people into their store, where they'll likely buy the book they came in for, plus milk, spare socks, candy, and a magazine.
 
Therin of Andor said:
Some big chain stores discount books heavily - seemingly as heavily as a remaindered book - but this strategy doesn't affect royalties. Sometimes a shop is willing to take a loss on a hot title just to get people into their store, where they'll likely buy the book they came in for, plus milk, spare socks, candy, and a magazine.
I have no idea what sort of stores you shop at, but here, the big chain bookshops do not carry the items needed to do your grocery shopping and your clothes shopping.
 
JWolf said:
Therin of Andor said:
Some big chain stores discount books heavily - seemingly as heavily as a remaindered book - but this strategy doesn't affect royalties. Sometimes a shop is willing to take a loss on a hot title just to get people into their store, where they'll likely buy the book they came in for, plus milk, spare socks, candy, and a magazine.
I have no idea what sort of stores you shop at, but here, the big chain bookshops do not carry the items needed to do your grocery shopping and your clothes shopping.
He didn't say chain bookshop, did he? I assume you're familiar with WalMart and Target, though, yes?
 
captcalhoun said:
Tesco in the UK sell socks, books, milk, candy and magazines...

Just one of the reasons I fell hard for Tesco when I was in London. :)

That, and the fresh Brie cheese and green grape sandwiches. :drool:
 
TerriO said:That, and the fresh Brie cheese and green grape sandwiches. :drool:
When I read that sentence the first time, I read it as "the fresh Brie cheese and [the] green grape sandwiches" . . . so for a second I was thinking "What the hell is a green grape sandwich?" :guffaw: Then I finally put the Brie and the grapes together in the same sandwich. Sounds yummy. :drool:
 
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