A huge solar collector in space?

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Brent, Aug 23, 2007.

  1. Brent

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    So, collecting solar energy is cool here on Earth, problem is night, and cloudy days. Why not build a network of solar collectors in orbit to capture sunlight and convert it into energy for us down here on Earth?
     
  2. Ariadne

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    How would you transport it down to Earth?

    We don't have the technology to build wires that long, and encapsulating it into some sort of battery would mean blasting large masses into space.
     
  3. Brent

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    ah lol, good point, i did not think about that

    can you send power over laser?
     
  4. Neopeius

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    Yes, of course you can. It's just a matter of clearing the area... *ZOOOTTT* ^_^

    Seriously, you can make them low intensity enough that they won't hurt anything, but still be better than terrestrially based collectors.
     
  5. JustAFriend

    JustAFriend Commodore Commodore

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    You're about 40 years too late with your idea....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_satellite

    ..and the power transmission was with microwaves (idea was tested out and worked with power being transmitted over several miles.) Environmentalists screamed the concept down in the late '70s....
     
  6. Neopeius

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    *grins* It was never my idea.

    Environmentalists aside, I have to wonder whether they'd be at all profitable with our current launch technology. In the 70's, Stine and Bova wrote as if they were obvious answers to every problem in the world. But they also thought the space shuttle would be worth a damn too.
     
  7. Brent

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    Sweet, I think their idea is sound (same with the shuttle), just lacked the money and support (and maybe technology) to carry out its full potential.
     
  8. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    A year or two back, there was a thread here discussing Dyson spheres and someone (may have been TGT, but I'm not sure) posted a couple of very interesting links wherein something quite similar to what you describe was covered in some detail. As I recall, the main obstacles would have been
    1) the lack of present technical/technological capability for construction, and
    2) where the heck to get all of the necessary material?
     
  9. Johnny Rico

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    Ironically, one can blame the environmentalists as to why we're still on fossil fuels today. They have shot down all alternative fuel sources because any or all of them have some sort of negative aesthetic repercussion on the environment. eg. Windfarms...affect the view. Nuclear Power, might leak... Water power, hurts the trout.

    It's total bullshit...so here we are still burning oil and coal further polluting the atmosphere (and I'm no hippy anti-oil person), and the environmentalists still protest the very thing they're forcing us to stay with.
     
  10. Stormrage

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    What is the point of it all? Just build new and advanced nuclear power plants. All of this global warming nonsense would be over.
     
  11. Manticore

    Manticore Manticore, A moment ago Account Deleted

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    Yes, but nuclear reactors have waste and they could blow up. :rolleyes:

    While I generally err on the side of the environment, the anti-nuclear crowd is one that I have little patience for.
     
  12. TerriO

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    Let's leave any axes we may have to grind at the door, please. :vulcan:
     
  13. Lindley

    Lindley Moderator with a Soul Premium Member

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    Nuclear plants can't really blow up. There just isn't the critical mass for that to happen.

    The danger in the past has been runaway reactions which produce so much heat that the pile simply melts into the ground, sinking until it hits groundwater and sending radioactive steam up into the atmosphere. Hence the term "meltdown".

    Designs are now available which minimize this risk, however.

    And whatever problems may come from nuclear waste, at least it's containable. Unlike the waste smoke from incinerators etc, which just spreads unchecked as it will.
     
  14. Ariadne

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    Well, they can blow up (Chernobyl did)... but it's a regular old explosion, not a nuclear explosion. ;)
     
  15. Quantum_Penguin

    Quantum_Penguin Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    ^^^^
    And on top of that, if it had had a containment building like U.S. reactors do, the radioactive gases would have been contained.
     
  16. RobertVA

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    Hydrogen:

    Need some other energy source to generate
    Need high pressure tanks OR extremely cold temperatures for storage.
    Dissipates so easily can be an explosion/fire hazard

    Wind:

    Weather dependent
    eyesore
    Hazard to aviation and birds
    Some reports of localized climate effects

    Dams:

    Inundates large areas displacing people and wildlife
    Interference with fish migrations
    Resevouirs fill up with silt
    Dangerous if rain or snow melt overfills resevour.

    Solar:

    Weather dependent
    Need LARGE area of collectors to generate large quantity of power, displacing human and natural uses
    Probably vulnerable to damage in hail storms, possibly high winds too.

    Nuclear:

    While volume is relatively low waste products must be stored away from people and other life forms for an EXTREMELY LONG TIME. Storage period would be long enough to expect major changes in spoken and written (like warning signs and labels) communication languages.
    Cooling system failures can lead to steam explosions and consequential release of radioactive steam. Can also result in containment building contamination preventing safe human access to reactor for THOUSANDS of years.
     
  17. Ariadne

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    Luckily, power usage tends to peak in hot, sunny weather - exactly when solar power is most useful.

    Nobody's suggesting displacing a forest, city, or corn field. Most solar advocates want to put solar cells somewhere that isn't being used - on the roof of a building, for instance.


    Where are you getting that from? Languages don't change that fast...

    Modern reactors shut themselves off before that happens.
     
  18. RobertVA

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    Power usage peaks during the day:

    MIGHT change as people use things like batteries and heat/cool sumps to redistribute demand.

    Roof top solar cells:

    May reduce power demand, but will probably still need to buy power for high demand uses like HVAC equipment. Also plenty of demand for transportation if this one person per vehicle demand continues.

    Ability for descendants to read labels and warning signs on nuclear waste repositories:

    Contains isotopes that people can't approach for TENS OF THOUSANDS of years. How many languages from the EARLY years of civilization can most people read? In the terms of the current calendar they might be needing six digit year numbers before some of that stuff is safe to be around for more than a few minutes.

    Modern reactors shut themselves off before that happens:

    Said the operators of Three Mile Island. Better be VERY careful about redundant AND failure resistant coolant supplies. Better have some place to store heated emergency coolant too. Note that you can't douse a reactor like an unwanted camp fire. It takes MANY hours to dampen the fission rate, and the neutron production that sustains it, to the point of not needing sustained coolant circulation.

    Summary:

    Most of these alternatives will NEED to be used, but their use will NOT be without problems. Careful attention to safety, in the short and VERY long term, and environmental issues will ALWAYS be necessary.
     
  19. Stormrage

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    I still say nuclear power. You can stick it in an empty mountain like the fins and everyone nearby would be safe. The only way to die would be to break the containers on purpose. The whole nuclear debate has is full of useless fear created by environmentalists. Part of the reason why I turned away from them.
     
  20. Neopeius

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    What do you do with the waste?