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Yeah, sure, when looking into what the moral of a story is... ignoring the story itself, ignoring what the creatives behind the story say, just making up your own moral and replying to everyone that want to stay with the facts with "Supposedly the Trek audience is smarter than that." instead of...

Well, just look up what Kirsten Beyer* (the author of the episode) said about it. She didn't think the Trek audience would be "smarter than that", she thought that brutalizing Icheb in the first scene would be a good way to ensure that the audience will root for Seven in her actions of cold...

@fireproof78: It is not about a fictional character, but about the moral of the story. Whether an action of a character is part of the moral depends on how the character is presented and what repercussions it gives. Although the default is that the actions of the protagonist are mostly driving...

Ok, Worf is always a glorious thought. :) But yeah, please elaborate on it. (I have a guess, but let's see.)

Interesting choice of wording: "condone" Well, actually, the episode and series does exactly that. Seven runs amok and does not face any consequences at all. Even the person that talked with her before the amok run that basically said that there are other ways to live, to which Seven...

The episode was given as an example for "Being part of the Star Trek franchise is "a gift and a burden": [...] It is a burden, because the expectations to it will automatically be a little bit higher." and TedShatner10 wanted to have an explanation why it is an example.

(highlighting by me) I mean that is the real point here. You doubt that Seven would do such a terrible thing and therefore you come up with a rationalization for it. So, it is not that you make an assessement based on what is seen, but you started with the assessment "Seven wouldn't be bad" and...

The video is restricted. :confused:

That's totally wrong! Seven has killed everyone there. She is there to save Icheb, so she obviously also has made preparation to leave there. And she leaves without any problems. There is NOTHING that gives your claim that Icheb will be tortured afterwards any credibility. By whom? The torturers...

It's you that are talking bullshit! Everything YOU are saying is false. Other than you, I have proof. Look at the transcript of the episode and what they say. There is no indication at all that he will actually die - if not by Seven's hand. The assessment of the situation before Seven decides to...

There is a HUGE difference between "Some bad guys do bad stuff." and "A protagonist does bad stuff and we depict it as being the right thing to do." Tasha Yar was hunted by rape gangs on Turkana IV. The episode clearly depicted the rape gangs as the bad guys and Tasha as the protagonist and...

Wait a moment, didn't we agree that saying "I don't like it" without stating the reason is kind of direction of the hate camp?

So, did you like every single episode of DIS so far or did you stay away from the forum for the episodes you didn't like?

To have a simple formulation of it: Consider that if you like a series, you are pretty much drawn to give a critique on each new episode of this series - even the ones you don't like. In the same way, some people that like Star Trek are drawn to give a critique to each Star Trek series - even...

That's very interesting because you describe the opposite of what it seems to be to me. The seasons of PIC and DIS contain a lot of filler, whereas the 90s' trek series had (at least) one full story in each episode. Maybe we have different definitions of filler. Maybe it is even difficult to...

Disclaimer: I agree that every series had people that liked them and people that disliked them in the beginning. But that is by no means the same as to think that people just hate everything new. The absolute majority (even of the mentioned "vocal" minorities) don't just hate it because it is...

"Haters gonna hate!". And designating every criticism as "hate" is much, much easier than facing it. Does DIS still get a lot of negative reactions? Sure. But it also gets a lot of positive reactions. And in both groups there are people that give good(/honest)* reasons for it and in both groups...

Because they share the same past: - any person or thing that is already born/exists before 2233, has to be identical in both timelines up to 2233. E.g. if AbramsKhan has miracle blood, so has the real Khan, since Khan was born in the 20th Century. - especially all of ENT is the past of...

Why should that mission be classified? That's some anti-democratic bullshit to classify everything. That's the right question. And it even allows the author to randomly mention some stuff and ignore other stuff, e.g.

No. The changes had direct impact to the main timeline (multiple times through-out the episode). Therefore, the 2024 in Past Tense is clearly the past of the 24th Century in Past Tense, so same universe (Star Trek main universe). Only remaining possibility of an "alternative universe" would...