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And there's also Matt's early section view, which predated the building of the filming miniature, that show the lower portion of the saucer rim having a beveled edge that ended up not being on the filming miniature. Those two outer compartments are a good candidate for sensors or machinery...

In the case of the Excelsior, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who has studied it as thoroughly as you have. I'd noticed that about the outer and inner ventral-saucer hull. One other thing I'd wondered about you might be able to answer. If one overlays the central ventral saucer...

I had wondered over the years why Andy had put some of the ventral saucer windows in insets, and not others -- and why none of the dorsal saucer windows likewise. I could buy that... Ish. I'd ass some markings or waveguides or similar to at least hint at such a purpose. I did think the ventral...

In the Constitution, Enterprise, and Excelsior classes and all the other designs based around those saucers, there is no obvious and visible reason for the undercut. There's gotta be some engineering or warp-dynamics reason to not just make that a contiguous deck. It adds complexity, and I can't...

Perhaps. Point stands that there's no way to reach that lower rim deck from the coreward section of that deck -- one has to come down from the deck above. That yellow bit of equipment may or may not fit in the available space, if it is indeed supposed to be where the undercut is. If it is...

A few things, as I need to get more popcorn for the ongoing debates... :whistle: • The Centaur is both large and small. Adam detailed it to be a tiny ship (scaled to the Reliant elements), but has since come to feel it works better scaled to the Excelsior elements. So everybody's right. I...

Here's my big issue. See this big undercut circling the entire ventral saucer? At that scale, that's pretty much most of a deck high. The MSD, incidentally, completely ignores this (and gets the central portion's curvature wrong): That deck cannot, actually, run contiguously through from...

The only thing I'll say on the Centaur is that even Adam Buckner has become a bit more Schrödingerian about the ship, both sticking with the scale he intended and accepting that it works better scaled to the saucer. He also said that, regardless of the extra greebling he added, when it was...

Leaving out how the JJ-verse and Disco are blatantly not the original Trek universe... Enterprise just doesn't fit what we knew of the era from TOS and the like: First contact with the Klingons. Andorians with ears. Starfleet having phasers, photon torpedoes, and transporters some seventy-five...

Oh! Oh, Greg, no. Didn't you do enough damage with "The Case for Jonathan Doe Starship?" Yeah, no, I, for some reason, thought he'd made something else prior to doing a re-pop of Enterprise-C bits and modding them. I don't think the cowlings on the Bussard ramscoops, different deflector...

Whee, golly, some stuff. I'm-a winnow a bit... A longer discussion could be had here about glowing-bubble version versus dark-grille version, line-of-sight, field strength and shape, distances from various structures... I feel most material depicts the glowing-bubble version (as with the...

I'm not even talking about that. Reactors and power delivery is irrelevant. Sure, the warp coils can be all in the bit sticking off the back. I'm talking about this acknowledged high-energy-EM-field-generating bit that pulls in interstellar matter right next to windows.

Except neither of those latter two have the warp engines running through the ship. I'd flip your Scout and Surveyor examples. Scouts are basically Destroyers with better sensors. Surveyors are more dedicated non-combatants like the Grissom in TSFS. What's more, his list was never laid out...

Hey, that reminds me of the Prometheus in Voyager... ;) I like the Akira and Norway -- agreed, registry issues aside -- but in the case of the other two... *sigh* Matt put the Enterprise's engine way out away from the habitable volume of the hull for a reason. He figured that, regardless of...

@Dukhat, your list is pretty good, and I won't get into all of it, beyond not entirely agreeing with non-sequential registries. Only thing I'll say on that is that registries are chronological to when a ship is authorized -- but not necessarily built. For instance, the Galaxy Class Development...

I reject the Excelsior-class Melbourne. Since that footage from "Emissary" of the ship getting blasted by the Borg was used in Voyager for the recollection of the Roosevelt being destroyed, I assert that's what we saw, regardless of how the model was labeled. In part because the actual...

Ironically, that's my take on the origin of the Excelsior's name. The Great Experiment development project would've started about 2265. Hull NX-2000 would have been authorized around or a bit after that, but not necessarily named. The Constitution-class Excelsior is one of the ships from FJ's...

In the case of the Galaxy, there's superstructure above the fantail helping tie it to the rest of the ship. The Excelsior just has that long flat, with that unconnected blister of stuff at the end. I'll have to dig up a scan of the sketch I did ages ago to show a friend what I was talking about...

There's a lot of recent discussion I'd love to weigh in on with an essay, but I don't know that it's germane to sizing the Excelsior, so I'll restrain myself unless asked by the thread starter. *lol* But as to the longevity of the class, I have some thoughts... Starfleet seems to dump a lot of...

*blows dust off the thread* Sorry -- had a bad winter. Cross-pollenating with the whole TOS-era Starfleet-registry question, real-world politics that led to TPTB rejecting a registry system that makes sense (and very pointedly ignoring that no one apparently ever asked the guy who came UP with...