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You realise I’m agreeing with much of your interpretation here? Apologies if that’s not coming across. That was the point of my initiating the discussion - to discuss my interpretation of Michael’s character and whether or not she had a hero complex. Based on our discussions I am happy to...

I would *love* this - but it’s rooted way too deeply in the Berman era to ever be made sadly. They’d have to have a title crawl the extent of the entire Memory Alpha database just to explain the backstory :lol: I’d like to think I’d have been more forgiving of the “visual reboot” in this era...

I love this idea. The early 24th century is somewhat under developed (except for bits in Beta canon). This era would have allowed for the inclusion of the Romulans as well - perhaps a series of events leading up to the destruction of the Enterprise-C paralleled with political relations with the...

...(linking right back to my original post in this thread) is perhaps incorrect. I guess the issue becomes less about Michael feeling that she *must* act heroically and more about her ego telling her “only I can deal with this because I’m the smartest and my ideas are better than everyone...

...the initial focus of the show, but as we saw with ds9 it didn’t have to work like that. And bear in mind Sisko is the most important character in *all* of Star Trek. Without him the universe would not even exist. No Sisko meant: no Worf at ds9 meaning a successful Klingon invasion of...

I actually like this idea - that could add a whole new level to their relationship. There’s nothing that says (or needs to say) either Michael or Tilly are exclusively straight. I think they’d have to do that - otherwise the first battle discovery got into she’d be blown to bits by being a...

...more of an influence in the shows since DS9. This is my point about DS9 though. I agree it was the most ensemble show, but Sisko was integral to *all* the events of the series. The prophets *needed* him to be born and took over the body of a human woman to make sure that he existed. Ds9...

When Burnham interacts with Pike and his science officer when they first board discovery Michael’s ego is in play there. With Connolly (was that his name? The guy who got splatted by the asteroid) Michael responds in kind to his attitude - showing that she couldn’t rise above it. With Pike she...

Agreed. The psychological well-being of the crew seems to fall to the CMO and I only remember Julian (of the Doctors overall) being adept at doing that before Ezri turned up Sorry I meant the aftermath of the war leads to stagnation. Basically the federation is so devastated that they regress...

I love this idea - this is what should have happened on Voyager (way before Galactica did it...!) Thinking about it, this is *exactly* what Michael would do. She’s a creature of habit almost to a fault - she can change but at a glacial pace. Removed from the one thing that was an anchor of her...

Well, Beyond was the only good one, so this may not be a bad thing. So if they go with the themes you suggest we could we’ll see Michael having a problem depending on others as far as taking responsibility for the Discovery crew’s own collective decisions to exile themselves in the future...

That’s probably true - unless the writers create a 32nd century that’s different sociopolitically than the 24th century delta quadrant. The discovery could be adopted by a Starfleet esque faction maybe, so they’re still part of a fleet - just with different values to the Starfleet of the 23rd...

Totally agree. I really hope they go down the dystopian route (maybe the Borg something something). I got definite BSG vibes from s2 so it be cool to see them go down that road. I’d not considered the guilt angle either - given that Michael is wont to take responsibility for things that aren’t...

...holograms and such) See, at first I thought this was tongue in cheek :lol: But then I remembered the end of season 1 where Michael Burnham - a *mutineer* - gave a speech to Starfleet about Starfleet values. Dsc has form when it comes to this sort of thing so, let’s assume that dsc only has...

So at a couple of points in season 2, Spock admonishes Michael for essentially having a hero complex and taking on responsibility for everything (most often alone) when she doesn’t have to. Michael seems to acknowledge this and even agree with this assessment, showing a little more personal...

Someone probably said the same thing about the romulans a century ago... ...I mean about discovery :lol: It’s all relative (but then again I love the Orville) hehe

Spock is deep ;)

To be fair, the Vulcan lady did say “it [V’Ger] stirs your human half, Spock” so maybe it affected only half Vulcans, not full Vulcans. That could be a reasons.

Agreed. Again I’d refer to ds9 here since the universe literally did revolve around Sisko. Without him the literal timeline of the canon universe would not have unfolded the way it did because aliens who exist outside the realm of linear time needed that piece of their puzzle moved in those ways...

I agree with your overall point, but to follow your line of argument here, why is the show called “Discovery” and not “The Burnham Diaries”? I suppose the best comparison would be Deep Space Nine - much of which revolves around (the) Sisko, since he was half prophet alien the whole time and the...