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You realise I’m agreeing with much of your interpretation here? Apologies if that’s not coming across. That was the point of my initiating the discussion - to discuss my interpretation of Michael’s character and whether or not she had a hero complex. Based on our discussions I am happy to...

I would *love* this - but it’s rooted way too deeply in the Berman era to ever be made sadly. They’d have to have a title crawl the extent of the entire Memory Alpha database just to explain the backstory :lol: I’d like to think I’d have been more forgiving of the “visual reboot” in this era...

I love this idea. The early 24th century is somewhat under developed (except for bits in Beta canon). This era would have allowed for the inclusion of the Romulans as well - perhaps a series of events leading up to the destruction of the Enterprise-C paralleled with political relations with the...

Well we don’t have much evidence for that - only a couple of scenes and Sarek has to tell her to behave. I’d suggest it’s debatable whether a human raised by a culture where emotions are suppressed would develop a healthy ego, but I don’t think we have enough evidence of Michael when she arrives...

Oh I agree. All I meant was that the title of “the next generation” didn’t necessarily focus the show on the enterprise - the name “Star Trek” did. The titles of the following spinoffs all focused their respective shows on their various ships and stations. In most cases the “lead” was the...

I actually like this idea - that could add a whole new level to their relationship. There’s nothing that says (or needs to say) either Michael or Tilly are exclusively straight. I think they’d have to do that - otherwise the first battle discovery got into she’d be blown to bits by being a...

Agreed :lol: I was just trying to make a point - which is addressed by your next comment: With “the next generation” I’m inclined to agree since this is a broad name that could cover anything - the only thing it really ties down is the setting (a generation later than TOS). With DS9, VOY sand...

When Burnham interacts with Pike and his science officer when they first board discovery Michael’s ego is in play there. With Connolly (was that his name? The guy who got splatted by the asteroid) Michael responds in kind to his attitude - showing that she couldn’t rise above it. With Pike she...

Agreed. The psychological well-being of the crew seems to fall to the CMO and I only remember Julian (of the Doctors overall) being adept at doing that before Ezri turned up Sorry I meant the aftermath of the war leads to stagnation. Basically the federation is so devastated that they regress...

I love this idea - this is what should have happened on Voyager (way before Galactica did it...!) Thinking about it, this is *exactly* what Michael would do. She’s a creature of habit almost to a fault - she can change but at a glacial pace. Removed from the one thing that was an anchor of her...

Well, Beyond was the only good one, so this may not be a bad thing. So if they go with the themes you suggest we could we’ll see Michael having a problem depending on others as far as taking responsibility for the Discovery crew’s own collective decisions to exile themselves in the future...

That’s probably true - unless the writers create a 32nd century that’s different sociopolitically than the 24th century delta quadrant. The discovery could be adopted by a Starfleet esque faction maybe, so they’re still part of a fleet - just with different values to the Starfleet of the 23rd...

Totally agree. I really hope they go down the dystopian route (maybe the Borg something something). I got definite BSG vibes from s2 so it be cool to see them go down that road. I’d not considered the guilt angle either - given that Michael is wont to take responsibility for things that aren’t...

I actually wouldn’t mind if they took this approach. I really enjoyed andromeda (even the last season which was admittedly a bit weird). I honestly hope they go down the “lost federation” route and the disco is the last bastion of the old ways. Or, if they’re going to go super duper ultra...

So at a couple of points in season 2, Spock admonishes Michael for essentially having a hero complex and taking on responsibility for everything (most often alone) when she doesn’t have to. Michael seems to acknowledge this and even agree with this assessment, showing a little more personal...

Someone probably said the same thing about the romulans a century ago... ...I mean about discovery :lol: It’s all relative (but then again I love the Orville) hehe

Spock is deep ;)

To be fair, the Vulcan lady did say “it [V’Ger] stirs your human half, Spock” so maybe it affected only half Vulcans, not full Vulcans. That could be a reasons.

Agreed. Again I’d refer to ds9 here since the universe literally did revolve around Sisko. Without him the literal timeline of the canon universe would not have unfolded the way it did because aliens who exist outside the realm of linear time needed that piece of their puzzle moved in those ways...

I agree with your overall point, but to follow your line of argument here, why is the show called “Discovery” and not “The Burnham Diaries”? I suppose the best comparison would be Deep Space Nine - much of which revolves around (the) Sisko, since he was half prophet alien the whole time and the...