I thought the 'gangers in general did, actually. Maybe Moffatt will kill the "real" Doctor and have the clone inherit everything. I wonder if they'll reference The Dalek Invasion of Earth (set in 2164) next week.
It's not exactly a new idea of identity theft: "What are little girls made of" "Tin Man" Up the Long Ladder To name but a few
Well, Jack Finney got there first in the 50s, with Sleep No More, better known as Invasion of the Body Snatchers
I really doubt the double doctor will come up as the solution to the episode 1 stuff. Surely it can't be that easy to replicate a time lord?
Yeah, it would be kind of stupid if it were that easy. I imagine that a lot of what makes the Doctor the way he is is non-biological anyway; eg regeneration technology. Alternatively, maybe the clone will have a Time Lord / clone metacrisis thing going on or be a bit like Rose's 10B.
Thinking of it, the Flesh is a bit like the stuff out of the Star Trek: Voyager classics Demons and Course: Oblivion.
Not sure about this episode. It had a bit of creepiness going on but it seems too drawn out. It was obvious what was going to happen to the Flesh. My only real interest in this story is who or what does the Flesh remind the doctor of? Is this a hint at the Flesh becoming an origin for a monster? Especially re: the line about how the Flesh were not after Rory but us. So this eludes to Rory's plastic past or what???
The Nestenes and validium are the ones that spring to mind. I'd hope it wasn't just an Auton origin story, that'd be horribly pointless fanwank (indeed, coming right after some other horribly pointless fanwank [in my opinion of course, not that I should have to say]).
Did anyone else think Rory became obsessed with Jennifer very quickly and wonder why? More going on there to find out about next week I think.
Hate that term. Surely stories appealing to the fans is a good thing? Pretty pointless to write stories the core audience don't like, one would have thought. Why exactly do you consider last week's episode "fanwank"? I and the Missus enjoyed them immensely, not knowing all the previous speculation in fandom about transgender regens and conscious TARDISes (TARDISii?). Just because fans have written about such things doesn't make them "fanwank". Nor neccessarily would an enemy origin story for the Autons or whoever (can't see it for this episode). Unless you personally don't like them, in which case it's an extremely derogative way of expressing that. Not having a go, just would appreciate you being more constructive in your critical observations, I've seen your previous posts, I know you are capable of more than the term "fanwank".
Well, fanwank about sums it up, doesn't it? It's part of what I consider the problem with new Who, which is that the stories are much more internalised - the fetishisation of the Doctor and now even the Tardis. Instead of the Doctor showing up on a planet, finding out what's going on, and sorting it out, it's more and more about the Doctor himself, his companions, and even about the bloody Tardis. It's personified in the amount of times he's just gone "I'm the Doctor and I'm fookin' 'ard, now piss off". It all started with the Daleks supposedly calling him the Oncoming Storm (and can you really imagine a Dalek saying that?), and by this point we could name at least half a dozen episodes where he's done it again. With the regeneration plot devices, the idea River Sue's some future part of the Doctor's life, and companions falling in love with him, the show's stories become more and more about the Doctor's myth, and not about space, time, and righting wrongs.
Thing is, fanwank to me by definition doesn't appeal to the larger audience. And DW clearly does in it's current format. I am a fan of the classic series. I lap it up when I get the chance. Thing is, that format died in 1989 because the larger audience lost interest. Returning purely to that style could cause the same thing to happen. Having said that, tonight's episode felt old school to me. Would have worked with Tom Baker as well as Matt Smith. So maybe you have to put up with a few bits you don't like to get your DW fix, Bones! Or DVD boxsets.
That's a great summation of what New Who has overdone. The Doctor being turned into some kind of Messiah/Arjuna Destroyer of Worlds has been a vast difference from the Classic Who, though McCoy's Doctor started to play with that sort of thing with the references to Rassilon, and the Other. Tennent's Doctor brought all the Lonely God Last of the Time Lords to a level of eye rolling cringe worthiness that could only be redeemed by having Hartnell's Doctor come in to tell him to stop being such a whinging child. This episode, I got rather bored by it. All the atmosphere and acting was fine, but it was an awfully long set up for an obvious cliffhanger- the gangers and normals at war and a duplicate Doctor. I am interested to see where it goes, but I hope the pace picks up.
Fantastic stuff, really enjoyed it, the effects were spot on and the story is very enjoyable. I'm giving this a Geronimo. Cant believe we are nearly through half this season already....how time flies when your enjoying yourself.
I thought it was ok. At first, I couldn't really get into it but then it got creepy. It would have been better if they had spent more time on the Doppelgänger dilemma, but maybe we'll get that next week. I think he just meant that they were after their doubles and not after Rory. I also thought the bonding between the two happened pretty fast, though there was that scene with the picture and the rather cool effect of her reshaping more into Jennifer again. I also felt that the hostility of the woman in charge (didn't catch her name) was rather disconnected to the events. Why would she resort to kill their clones so quickly? I'm inclined to think this is more of a problem with the writing and not a hint at something else. Also, those eyepatch lady appearances are getting tiresome.
I think it's pretty obvious why. "The Flesh" is the early stages of the Nestene Consciousness (or at least the Autons that it eventually controls, depending on how they wanna go with it). What we're seeing is the dawn of its/their creation and why it/they loathes humans so much. That's my guess anyway. It certainly explains Rory's sympathetic connection.