Is there anyone who'd love to see Kathryn as she was before 'Nemesis'?

Re: Is there anyone who'd love to see Kathryn as she was before 'Nemes

On the point of crossing the wall for you're freedom- when faced with that kind of oppression would you not strive for you're freedom though the pain of death? Is that not a worthy cause, sure you may die, but what if you live and gain you're freedom? Killing field or not, Voyager had a choice to either go though or go around and add on several more years to their trek. And like kimc stated, how were they to know that the Swarm had a law for not crossing their space, all anyone knew was that ships disappeared, NOT WHY.

 

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Because Neelix told them so, Voyagers shuttle was attacked as a warning since the crew was not eaten and the ship was not scuttled and there was a tachyon detection grid marking the entire width and breadth of of their empire.

Just to remind you...

Hmm?

So the Romulan Neutral Zone? The thousands of outposts stocked to the brim with torpedoes and phaser batteries? Starfleet is bullying the Romulans? Customs? Health and saftey inspections? Bullying! When Rom mined the bajoran wormwhole he was just bullying the the 10 thousand starships which wanted to come through and annihilate world after world?

There was a choice.

Go around.

That's a very easy way not to get killed or be forced to kill to protect yourself? Just comply with the wishes of the local jurisdiction with the powerful armada who's definition of "stun" still half murders people.

How come real Janeway can destroy hundreds of ships here to save a few months travel, but Quicksilver Janeway wouldn't phaser the frakk out of just three orbital defence ships goosesitting above a Demon Class planet when the lives of her entire crew was on the line?

15 months, maybe 2 years added to the 69 years left to their journey is inconsequential, and as stated many times, it it took them 70 years to get home because they couldn't make allies, find technology or wormholes, they just plain suck. Making friends is a good way to get help, and you're not going to get help or friendship from a people who you murder en mass because you unilaterally declare that their law, borders and choices are bullshit.`

It's a complete lack of respect which should have earnt kathy a bloody nose, but might is right and she was able to destroy anyone with a morally superior argument against her plan of action.

Tuvok needed to grow a pair. he keeps telling she's wrong and then, with the exception of selling stories for technology, and then just lets her carry on through with her crusades. I suppose though he turned her suicide kick in the Omega Directive into a mass-suicide kick, getting the girl to change her mind just a fraction.

Though, it's possibly he just didn't want the terrorist in charge?

 

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Put that way, I have no choice but to agree to your argument. Rom mined the wormhole to save the Federation from certain annihilation, the swarm may have been afraid of the same. And anyone powerful enough to hold that vast of an amount of space is definitely someone not to mess with.
But the wormhole was mined against certain invasion, while the swarm held the space simply because they were some type of crazed xenophobes.

 

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They're only crazy for being extremist xenophobes if Kathy didn't kill a few thousand of them for trying to live their lives their way.

She justified their "crazy" into "reasonable" redefining the Swarms textbook "proportionate response" from what should be a simply matter of asking hobo-spacetrash to "piss off" to zero tolerance.

Seen Rambo First Blood recently?

In fact to secure their boarders, their lifestyles and the lives of their coast guard, the Swarmies will have to be more crazily xenophobic to avoid some new slaughter by the next imperious righteous aliens thinking they can dictate right and wrong.

Please note how much more difficult air travel is in America post 911.

 

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Agreed, I fly one way to and from Alaska from K.C. about twice a year, and every time I fly I'm selected for additional screening. It takes two hours to get through.
But seeing how the Voyager crew already got past the Swarm we'll never know what changes they make to their defensive grid.

 

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Maybe it's because you're too pretty?

My feet smell like gasoline which is why they stop me all the time.

First I think that one warning they gave Voyagers shuttle mission would be off the table, and the tachyon detection net would not be hooked up to a warning bell any more but to missiles, lots and lots of missiles if the hole thing wasn't just re jiggered into a space frontier version of an electric fence.

Janeway must have learnt from this experience if you consider how she bent over for the Devore, or that spaghetti birds nest course which that comical committee of aliens elected Voyager to take through their territory that time, and did some one say that the first contact ritual with the aliens form the one where Kim got space herpes took weeks before they got tot he point where he could flush it down the toilet?

 

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Actually, I'd prefer to see her after Nemesis. Maybe like 8 or 9 years after Nemesis. I think the writers have no idea what an "Admiral" does in 21st century war, and so they think its boring as all get out. Why have 1 ship to be in charge of, when you could have a fleet. Perhaps they need to go back to WWII lit and read accounts of Bulldog Halsey (sp?) to get into the head of a Starfleet Admiral. Of course, my fav Admiral these last 5 years has lived in a different scifi series, but don't tell Braga that I've fallen for Adama! :-)

 

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I don't think any Admiral Janeway is ever going to be happy and she will always reach a point where she will want to go back in time and Save her crew more.

A real Homer Simpson moment.

Paris: "Hey? Why'd you save us now? Why not a week ago before Joe Carey was shot by idiots?"

Admiral Janeway "DOH!"

 

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....Amazing how a thread can get littered with 'humorous' references which have zero to do with the topic at hand. Another cheap shot. How suprising. And tiresome.

 

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I completely agree. I think it would be good for not only Janeway, but for Trek. Kirk got demoted and then took command of The Enterprise, which would have then been "business as usual."

Janeway, along with Voyager, could have been given a fleet of ships for a deep space mission and it would have made sense for her to be an admiral, since she would have to lead other captains and given her seven years in the DQ.

 

Re: Is there anyone who'd love to see Kathryn as she was before 'Nemes

Now that would be cool.