Poll: Bring Janeway back?

During the show's run there were a lot more Janeway fans as other posters who were here at that time can attest to. For various reasons we don't need to get into they drifted off. The Janeway board teya mentioned is no longer active but there are a few strong J/C boards where many still hang out.

Personally, I feel the board has been pretty unbalanced since most of them left so it's good to see some come back. As for the threads/posts on Janeway's death folks need to vent - that is only human and makes sense. As for those who aren't venting or who aren't interested in a good conversation - well I can go on about them but I need to leave for a party.

 

I don't even have a clue what TNZ stands for so nah can't and won't hold you responsible for anything you might or might not have said or done there.

No, I was simply refering to the fact that you've made quite a few remarks that I'd classify as rather rude and pointless to me and others in the past, but I know you're not a fan of Voyager or these discussions, so I can deal with it. Hell heated things have been said on both sides and I've blown a gasket a few times so...all's well than ends well.

 

^ TNZ = "The Neutral Zone" - it's a BBS forum for discussions on more controversial subjects. You have to have made a certain number of posts to go there, and you have to ask for mod approval. I've never visited, but I'm told you can find some very....interesting discussions there.

 

Thanks for the explanation.

I have no desire to go there. I'm quite happy where I am. I just found it funny if he thought I was from there since I didnt even know what it stood for.

 

^ You're welcome. I don't go because I hear enough discussions, pointless or not, about hot topics out here in the real world - I don't need the Trek BBS for that!

 

There are some in here who aren't venting but are interested in a good conversation. We've been making some decent points.

I'm not sure what there is to "go on about."

 

Are we going to get more voyager books after these two are out? I have to wonder. With the main character offed off and the others being sucked into the other series. I wonder after this jaunt of Voy back in the DQ is done we will be left with zilch!

 

I highly doubt the "jaunt" back to the DQ will only take one book to explore, especially since they're sending an entire fleet.

Maybe you should just read it and avoid getting your Starfleet-issue panties in a twist about things that haven't even been written yet.

 

That is extremely rude and very inappropriate!

 

I did because I am not ill mannered, unlike square up there

 

Apparently 'poorly', since Chakotay is still eating his heart out going into Unworthy. Apropos of nothing, I personally hope the grieving scenes are kept to a minimum, best handled 'off-screen' as it were. Going through the real thing is heart-wrenching, but I've rarely seen it done well in media--usually it just comes off as transparent emotional blackmail or, worse yet, just plain dull. That said, I must admit that watching Coetzee sustain his protagonist's almost-wild grief over two hundred pages in The Master of St. Petersburg was damn impressive.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

^ Well, no, I imagine nobody sits around a room and says "This is a very emotional scene, so let's make it really trite and boring as all hell." Grief is one of those things that's really hard to artificially duplicate.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

i don't know if this was discussed in the other "janeway is dead" threads, but after 17 of posts i'm surprised no one has mentioned (maybe again) that one could look at janeway's death as karmic fate. she subverted the natural order of life by going back in time to rescue seven, chakotay and tuvok. in cheating seven's and chakotay's death, it is inevitable that karmic retribution would be in janeway's future thus hastening her death. thus, giving her death an even more heroic meaning since her actions would eventually lead to a hastened end to her life.

 

^ Even assuming such a notion as 'karma', the Janeway who went back in time is not the same person as the Janeway who died at the hands of the Borg. That Janeway already died using herself as a Trojan horse during the attack on the transwarp hub; if there are any 'karmic bills' to be paid, life has already been spent.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

First of all, I would really like to give you, Kirsten Beyer all credit for coming here and interact with us fans. This is something I really appreciate even if I do disagree with some of your opinions regarding this issue.

And yes, I do consider you an excellent author as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I get the impression from your post that the decision to kill off Janeway was made by the editor and that you and some authors decided to get along with it. Am I correct?

What I'm interested about here is how much impact the editors have on the ongoing Voyager saga in this case. I mean, if I was a writer, I wouldn't be that happy if the editors demanded a new direction for my characters if that direction was too different from what I would like to do and write about.

Yes, but they must have been aware of the fact that many fans would be angry and upset over it and in this case the line between intentional damage and not is very thin.

It's like "Now I'm gonna smash Mr Brown's window with a baseball, just to really p*** that old geek off"

or

"I would really like to smash Mr Brown's window with a baseball just to see the effect and hear the window crash but I know that Mr Brown will be very upset and angry so should I do it or not?"

What we do know that the result in both cases will be that the window is broken and Mr Brown will be upset and angry.

I must also once again state that I do find the killing off of Janeway a very destructive move. Wouldn't it have been better and more constructive to sit down and figure out a good story about her instead, such as "OK, making Janeway an admiral did actually paint her into a corner so what can we do to get this great character back into the action again? Why not try this........."

That would have been more constructive, as I see it because we would have gotten more action and more adventures for Janeway, the Janeway fans would have been happy and continued to buy the books and who knows, it may have attracted those Janeway fans who normally don't buy the books as well.

 

A nice suggestion actually but I won't do it.

It's a matter of principles. When Kes was destroyed in "Fury", I did quit watching definitely, there and then. (OK, I did quit watching when Kes was kicked out in "The Gift" but changed my mind two years later and borrowed the video tapes with the episodes I had missed. But "Fury" was the definite end.)

It's the same here. I'm very dissatisfied with the way Janeway has been treated and I have no intention to support the current direction of the Star Trek books and I'm not interested in reading about the crew walloping in its grief over what has happened to Janeway.

Mind you, if they had brought back Kes in season 7 and undone the damage made to the character in Fury", I would have changed my mind and started watching the show again and I would probably have bought or borrowed the tapes or DVD:s with the episodes I'd missed. If Janeway returns, I would probably start buying books again.