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Spoilers Foundation Adaptation Series on AppleTV+ (Discussion and Spoilers)

Magnifico says he loves Bayta, uses the "I've never felt such love" people use about The Mule, than Gaal sees The Mule in his mind holding a knife to him. What could this possibly mean?!?! (t's Bayta she's the Mule. I'm not complaining, it's fun.)

hmm interesting theory, but I'd really hate for her to be the bad gal. I like her character and find her mysterious.
She and her husband did do the galactic social media vids or whatever travelling around, that could be a neat cover to influence people and getting around...
However would she really let the Mule fella hurt her husband - the shaving hand thing? They seem very devoted to each other "almost in a never felt such love" over the top way.
Could also make sense from the Mule to "abduct" her and now she somehow being in control of Dawn who lets his guard down near her potentially.

Still hope it isn't true.
 
Well, jiminy. This is a hell of a time to switch horses, but here's hoping the new team can keep things humming along.

Granted, anything Goyer said about his long term plan is now void, but I recall him saying there were one or two characters (he gave an exact number, I just don't remember which it was) who would span from the beginning of the series to its end. Demerzel appears to be out of contention, but there's still a chance for a Cleon. While poor Cleon 26 was incinerated, and the impressively large but not unlimited supply of live spares is gone (and gruesomely so), 23 didn't seem to do anything to the embryos. Plus we've got 25 (albeit legless), and the Cloud Dominion Baby King's descendants could still be hiding somewhere in space, so we probably haven't quite seen the last of a non-mad (well, less mad) non-Mann Cleon yet.

I suppose some incarnation of Seldon and Gaal remain the most obvious choices for characters who can make it to the end.

Kalle is a robot (not really surprising) who lives on the Moon with other robots (somewhat more surprising). I wonder what happened to Hari when he left with her, if he might still be alive in some form on Earth. Also, it's fun to see Earth with lower water levels instead of higher ones in a piece of science fiction. Nice twist, mixes things up a bit.

There was no set-up for the customary time-jump, and things seem pretty, well, in Crisis, so I guess the next season will deviate from the pattern and pick up where this one left off. It would also give them time to clean things up after the show held things so close to the vest with the double-twist with the True Mule. As it is, things are a bit under-explored regarding Bayta and Magnifico's true nature, especially at what point Gaal suspected a trick and how she managed to sabotage Magnifico (though it does explain why she kept him around after seeing he'd been turned). If we get another season of the Mule unmasked that can explore her more fully, that'll retrospectively make the last-minute reveal less abrupt than it seems right now.

Interesting that it looks like Toran loved her legitimately, given that he didn't take the revelation that she was the second-greatest living mass-murderer in the galaxy in stride the way people under the Decoy Mule's control generally did when he defied expectations.

I've been wondering if there was going to be an in-universe reason for the different actors who played the Decoy Mule in season 2 and 3. I suppose it's still possible, the pieces are in place for Gaal and the Mule (or her avatar) to have their fight on Trantor, and Bayta might've found that having a goggle-wearing pirate warlord was too useful a disguise to drop so she might just pick another one. Still, if that were the case, I would've expected Gaal to comment on the fact that the Mule changed faces in her visions after Salvor died; unless that was the thing that made her suspect he was a patsy, in which case it makes sense for her to have kept that close to her chest.
 
Magnifico says he loves Bayta, uses the "I've never felt such love" people use about The Mule, than Gaal sees The Mule in his mind holding a knife to him. What could this possibly mean?!?! (t's Bayta she's the Mule. I'm not complaining, it's fun.)
Welp, I guess when you’re right, you’re right.
 
I wanted Dusk to go full Palpatine with that weapon.
“Witness the full power of this battle station!” :)

It’s a shame she was revealed to be the Mule. I liked her. She always reminded me of Hannah Spearitt. I always had a huge crush on her when I was young.
So I assume that was Earth at the end. So the evil robots have taken over. At least it isn’t apes this time.
 
Massive hidden easter egg / spoiler, credit to Reddit.

If you slow down Demerzel's final scene, when her skull is all that's left and her eye is flashing:

It's morse code.

Morse: - .-. .- -. ... ..-. . .-. .-. . -..

English: TRANSFERRED
 
Massive hidden easter egg / spoiler, credit to Reddit.

If you slow down Demerzel's final scene, when her skull is all that's left and her eye is flashing:

It's morse code.

Morse: - .-. .- -. ... ..-. . .-. .-. . -..

English: TRANSFERRED
You know, I kinda figured there was a “Remember” thing going on there.
 
So I assume that was Earth at the end. So the evil robots have taken over. At least it isn’t apes this time.
Who says they’re evil? (Despite the Cylon-y sounding one.). And if they’re still anywhere within throwing distance of the books, there’s another possibility in Foundation and Earth, albeit perhaps with different characters.
 
This has been easily the show's best season, but I found the finale disappointing. Dusk going full-on Caligula and destroying everything is not as interesting to me as the nuanced character stories of the rest of the season. Just killing Day and Demerzel and having Day's efforts fail is an unsatisfying ending to their arc (although they certainly did plant enough seeds that I was sure Demerzel would transfer her consciousness even before I read that spoiler). And having the Mule arc end with an abrupt cliffhanger rather than any real resolution isn't satisfying either.

Most of all, I'm unhappy that they changed the ending of the book. In Foundation and Empire,
Magnifico was actually the Mule, and Bayta was the one who figured it out and foiled his plans at the climax. Her kindness, her acceptance of Magnifico despite his comical appearance, was his downfall, because he so cherished being liked by someone without having to alter their minds that he left her unaltered, and that left her free to see what was happening and reason out who he really was. He lost because she was both smart and compassionate.

I get that they wanted to surprise the books' readers by changing the Mule's identity, but I wish they hadn't, because Bayta's defeat of the Mule is my favorite part in the entire trilogy, and Bayta my favorite character. She disproves the conventional wisdom that Asimov couldn't or didn't write female characters, because she's one of the best female characters in Golden Age science fiction. So I hate that the show threw out the best part, merely because they felt they had to change it for the sake of change. I would've rather seen them dramatize the story that worked so well in prose.
 
Magnifico was actually the Mule, and Bayta was the one who figured it out and foiled his plans at the climax. Her kindness, her acceptance of Magnifico despite his comical appearance, was his downfall, because he so cherished being liked by someone without having to alter their minds that he left her unaltered, and that left her free to see what was happening and reason out who he really was. He lost because she was both smart and compassionate.

I get that they wanted to surprise the books' readers by changing the Mule's identity, but I wish they hadn't, because Bayta's defeat of the Mule is my favorite part in the entire trilogy, and Bayta my favorite character. She disproves the conventional wisdom that Asimov couldn't or didn't write female characters, because she's one of the best female characters in Golden Age science fiction. So I hate that the show threw out the best part, merely because they felt they had to change it for the sake of change. I would've rather seen them dramatize the story that worked so well in prose.

I do not find there to be any more reason to believe Bayta is the Mule than the Pirate as the Mule. She could be being puppeteered just the same. She may even have some latent Mentalic abilities, which could make it easier for the Puppetmaster and allow her to resist Gaal and the others seeing the truth in her mind. It could still be Magnifico.
 
I do not find there to be any more reason to believe Bayta is the Mule than the Pirate as the Mule. She could be being puppeteered just the same. She may even have some latent Mentalic abilities, which could make it easier for the Puppetmaster and allow her to resist Gaal and the others seeing the truth in her mind. It could still be Magnifico.

But that's no better, because it reduces Bayta to just another controlled victim and takes away what made her unique and enabled her to see through him. They've still ruined the best moment in the trilogy, even if she isn't really the Mule.
 
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