I was kinda annoyed at the Franz Joseph's single engine design. I didn't like the long stick with a deflector dish on it. So I designed this varient of that ship.
My mono engine ship design
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Integrating the deflector dish and the nacelle is a great idea. It's giving me stuff to think about. Specifically, I think it needs a bit more work to develop or clarify an alternative to the Bussard collector. But very nicely done. Outstanding concept!
Trek actually went nearly 25 years before the term bussard was added in that Paklid episode. And I'm from those times. 
I thought the physical models don't supported that concept. The script needed it. But there would need to be some intake vent on the ship.
I'm actually working on a design that works with that idea. Though I think it makes more sense for it to be around the deflector rings. The deflector is designed to push particles away. It makes sense that it could gather particles too.
I thought the physical models don't supported that concept. The script needed it. But there would need to be some intake vent on the ship.
I'm actually working on a design that works with that idea. Though I think it makes more sense for it to be around the deflector rings. The deflector is designed to push particles away. It makes sense that it could gather particles too.
its been a few years since I made it, but I think its a tad smaller o7
I love that second one.
You have turned the modular FJ idea on its head.
Instead of a Connie first—mix and match parts for a Destroyer later—you have flipped the script.
I could see the Sternbach Mann ellipse hull first—two nacelle stumps out back.
Then things evolve to your version with the nacelle more powerful…so it is a bit more at arms length.
The Starship class (Constitution, Conestoga /AMT,etc.) comes *last*
Nacelles on engineering hull.
I love the Franz Joseph linage, but your take is more naturalistic.
If FJ never did Trek art…I wonder what other takes could be.
You have turned the modular FJ idea on its head.
Instead of a Connie first—mix and match parts for a Destroyer later—you have flipped the script.
I could see the Sternbach Mann ellipse hull first—two nacelle stumps out back.
Then things evolve to your version with the nacelle more powerful…so it is a bit more at arms length.
The Starship class (Constitution, Conestoga /AMT,etc.) comes *last*
Nacelles on engineering hull.
I love the Franz Joseph linage, but your take is more naturalistic.
If FJ never did Trek art…I wonder what other takes could be.
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In the Tech Manual, Franz Joseph refers to the dome at the front of the nacelles as "SPACE ENERGY/MATTER SINK (ACQUISITION)." That's basically the same function as what a Bussard collector does, so I'm not too miffed about TNG's terminology for it.Trek actually went nearly 25 years before the term bussard was added in that Paklid episode. And I'm from those times.
I thought the physical models don't supported that concept. The script needed it. But there would need to be some intake vent on the ship.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Go for it!
In the interview with FJ on Trekplace, he describes what he meant as a spacetime jet engine, warping and pulling the fabric of spacetime through the nacelle, instead of inflating a bubble of warped spacetime around it, Alcubiere-style. So, not a Bussard. More an inverse Alcubiere spacetime jet.
On the subject of the dangling deflector, if you look at the 11-foot studio model of the TOS ship, the deflector is articulated. Doing something similar on these FJ scout/destroyers with a telescoping boom that allows the dish to orient downwards and pull up to the saucer, makes it less ungainly. The problem is, it still needs to dangle when moving (definitely at impulse, not so sure at warp), but at least it looks less of a problem when at rest.
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Interesting take on the engines!
Whats weird about the deflector in FJ's ship, was its built on top of the lower sensor dome. Which brings 2 issues. Wouldn't the deflector block the sensor? And why not stick that dish somewhere else? Like on the front saucer lip?
I think Okuda or Jefferies would have talked FJ out of that choice if they were around back then.
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Whats weird about the deflector in FJ's ship, was its built on top of the lower sensor dome. Which brings 2 issues. Wouldn't the deflector block the sensor? And why not stick that dish somewhere else? Like on the front saucer lip?
I think Okuda or Jefferies would have talked FJ out of that choice if they were around back then.
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If you look at Jefferies’ schematic that appears in The Making of Star Trek, that dish is identified as both a navigational sensor and deflector. So there is a combined purpose going on- sense what is out there and deflect away from the ship as needed. On 1701, there are ventral (superior) and dorsal (inferior) sensors along with a dedicated navigational sensor. On the scout/destroyers, that dorsal (inferior) sensor gets double duty as the nav sensor. One might assume that when/if retracted it is a big dish version of the (presumed) smaller, hemispherical sensor dish under 1701’s lower dome. When extended, it is reoriented and focused on where the ship is headed.
The real problem is the rings behind 1701’s dish. They are missing on the scout/destroyer. If they are the deflector part of the nav sensor/deflector, something else is doing that job on the smaller ship.
I think you're mixing up your dorsal and ventral terminology.
What it means is that there are no combat deflector shields. There are, however, deflector screens. Furthermore, as understood by Matt Jeffries, the explanation for why the Enterprise could take such punishment, is found on FJ's plans, with a ring labeled 'Deflector Pulse Generator'. So part of this structure is some form of a capacitor that stores the energy for withstanding something like Nomad, or something like a Romulan Bird-of-Prey, intensity.
It must al a ays be charging up, because in TMoST, it mentions that the Enterprise can maintain shields at optimum power for twenty hours...
To put it another way, I don't think that the Federation would be so careless to limit the power reserves...
Because in a running battle, running out of fuel is kind of embarrassing. And fatal.
Hmm... What page do we see one of Jefferies' schematics where the dish is identified as both a navigational sensor and deflector? My copy of TMOST only has schematics where the dish is identified as "Main Sensor".
On Page 191 there is text describing the dish as a "main sensor-deflector" though.
The interconnecting dorsal is on the underside of the saucer so I was being consistent. I really should have just stuck with inferior and superior alone, or maybe the clearest- top and bottom.
Yes, I was jumbling those together.
TMoST, doesn't get the credit it deserves.
Too man people rely on cannon, forgetting something called "Logic". What we have in TMoST, in the chapter entitled 'The USS Enterprise' is just that...
Yes, they should have gone much further with this pattern of thought., but back then it was very unusual to have anything like that amount of information on the subject in question.
Try understanding the USS Seaview...
Don't freak out, please.
Too man people rely on cannon, forgetting something called "Logic". What we have in TMoST, in the chapter entitled 'The USS Enterprise' is just that...
Yes, they should have gone much further with this pattern of thought., but back then it was very unusual to have anything like that amount of information on the subject in question.
Try understanding the USS Seaview...
Don't freak out, please.
Did someone say Seaview? XD
wanna finish that one day. And rebuild my FS
wanna finish that one day. And rebuild my FS
