Spoilers Andor - Season 2
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Andor writer, and the brother of creator Tony Gilroy, Dan Gilroy has been hired by Universal to write a new Miami Vice movie for Tron: Legacy and Top Gun: Maverick Joseph Kosinski.
https://www.ign.com/articles/new-mi...rom-top-gun-maverick-director-joseph-kosinski
Just thought this might of interest to some other people in the thread since Dan Gilroy has been one of the show's main writers.
https://www.ign.com/articles/new-mi...rom-top-gun-maverick-director-joseph-kosinski
Just thought this might of interest to some other people in the thread since Dan Gilroy has been one of the show's main writers.
I feared the moment we saw the nature of Vel and Cinta's long-awaited reunion that their mission in Ghorman would end with one or both of them dead...but I didn't suspect it would be from reckless, foolish, unavoidable friendly fire. Vel is right: There's no point in telling that boy to remember. He will carry it for the rest of his life, probably never fully understanding how badly he fucked up. During her righteous fury, I noticed she didn't even bother pointing out how she fucking told him not to bring a blaster. Sometimes stuff like that is best left unsaid.
In the wake of that disaster, I do love the ongoing theme of showing the different states of the Rebellion with each trilogy. First it was the squabbling, disorganized Maya Pei Brigade of Yavin IV, now the impatient, careless not-French Revolutionaries of Ghorman. We also get another look at Saw Gerrera's Partisans and how he continues to operate with extreme distrust and fear, even within his own ranks. I am curious to see what we will get in the next trilogy. Will we see yet another faction in some other degree of underpreparedness and messiness or will we them building towards better trust and order?
I worried this whole trilogy for Bix's mental health and livelihood but I was even more concerned that the show would go down the derivative and damaging image of trauma victims succumbing to drug addiction and suicide (or worse, Luthen's troubling yet unsurprising suggestion of killing her to "unburden" Cassian). Mind you, murdering your tormentor and blowing up his base of operations isn't quite a healthy choice either, but at least that's far more cathartic, with the added benefit of helping the greater cause. On the plus side, I was wrong in suspecting that Cassian would lose one of his Ferrix friends with each trilogy, with both Bix and Wilmon tethering towards death. That said, I still think Cassian will be alone by the end.
I enjoyed Davo Sculdun's party (even if I was pulled into reality with its setting at Valencia's L'Hemisfèric, last seen in Westworld) and I was especially amused how the episode managed seep such drama and danger out of removing a mere bug out of an artifact. Of course, having Director Orson Krennic looming nearby, debating history and politics with Senator Mon Mothma helped with that atmosphere. It was a small thing but I loved that particular artifact, one developed by people who revered blindness. I want to see more of that culture...
Curious to see Benjamin Bratt as Bail Organa, especially for a throwaway cameo. I imagine we'll see more of him in the next two trilogies and this moment was help us prepare for the unavoidable recasting (presumably due to scheduling). I know this will be talked about a lot but honestly, I far prefer Bratt over Jimmy Smits to the point that I wish Bratt had been in the role originally.
No sign or mention of B2EMO! Gone but never forgotten.
In the wake of that disaster, I do love the ongoing theme of showing the different states of the Rebellion with each trilogy. First it was the squabbling, disorganized Maya Pei Brigade of Yavin IV, now the impatient, careless not-French Revolutionaries of Ghorman. We also get another look at Saw Gerrera's Partisans and how he continues to operate with extreme distrust and fear, even within his own ranks. I am curious to see what we will get in the next trilogy. Will we see yet another faction in some other degree of underpreparedness and messiness or will we them building towards better trust and order?
I worried this whole trilogy for Bix's mental health and livelihood but I was even more concerned that the show would go down the derivative and damaging image of trauma victims succumbing to drug addiction and suicide (or worse, Luthen's troubling yet unsurprising suggestion of killing her to "unburden" Cassian). Mind you, murdering your tormentor and blowing up his base of operations isn't quite a healthy choice either, but at least that's far more cathartic, with the added benefit of helping the greater cause. On the plus side, I was wrong in suspecting that Cassian would lose one of his Ferrix friends with each trilogy, with both Bix and Wilmon tethering towards death. That said, I still think Cassian will be alone by the end.
I enjoyed Davo Sculdun's party (even if I was pulled into reality with its setting at Valencia's L'Hemisfèric, last seen in Westworld) and I was especially amused how the episode managed seep such drama and danger out of removing a mere bug out of an artifact. Of course, having Director Orson Krennic looming nearby, debating history and politics with Senator Mon Mothma helped with that atmosphere. It was a small thing but I loved that particular artifact, one developed by people who revered blindness. I want to see more of that culture...
Curious to see Benjamin Bratt as Bail Organa, especially for a throwaway cameo. I imagine we'll see more of him in the next two trilogies and this moment was help us prepare for the unavoidable recasting (presumably due to scheduling). I know this will be talked about a lot but honestly, I far prefer Bratt over Jimmy Smits to the point that I wish Bratt had been in the role originally.
No sign or mention of B2EMO! Gone but never forgotten.
I think B2EMO has new people, and that's probably best for the poor little fella.
Binged the second set of eps tonight. Not sure I liked it as much as the first three but it was solid through and through. Couple of observations:
1. Saw Gerrerra is f'n crazy. You'd have to be crazy yourself to want to run with his organization. That dude is living on the ragged edge. He's frickin' out there, like Pluto, man!
2. Luthen is getting a bit scary. You get the impression here that he's starting to lose the edge a bit, and Kleya is the one keeping him off the ledge. I genuinely feared for Bix here, but her end-game therapy, I think, might just do the trick for her. We'll see.
3. I knew either Cinta or Vel wasn't coming back from this one, after their emotional reunion. I called it, just not which one beforehand. I also like how Andor decided the competence wasn't there for the would-be rebels on Ghorman, and walked. The end result would seem to confirm he made the correct call.
4. I liked the Bail Organa recast. Jimmy Smits has never felt quite right to me in that role, going all the way back to the prequels. I like this new guy better after just a few minutes of screen time.
5. We are now at the point where things really need to start happening. Mon Mothma needs to get on the run, Luthen's fate must be decided, and we need to find out how we lose or disassociate Bix and Wilmon, because they aren't in Rogue One. Syril and Deedra I don't care about so much, but I enjoy their emotionally barren love affair as a side plot.
Onward and upward. Looking forward to next week. And bring on K2SO!!
Binged the second set of eps tonight. Not sure I liked it as much as the first three but it was solid through and through. Couple of observations:
1. Saw Gerrerra is f'n crazy. You'd have to be crazy yourself to want to run with his organization. That dude is living on the ragged edge. He's frickin' out there, like Pluto, man!
2. Luthen is getting a bit scary. You get the impression here that he's starting to lose the edge a bit, and Kleya is the one keeping him off the ledge. I genuinely feared for Bix here, but her end-game therapy, I think, might just do the trick for her. We'll see.
3. I knew either Cinta or Vel wasn't coming back from this one, after their emotional reunion. I called it, just not which one beforehand. I also like how Andor decided the competence wasn't there for the would-be rebels on Ghorman, and walked. The end result would seem to confirm he made the correct call.
4. I liked the Bail Organa recast. Jimmy Smits has never felt quite right to me in that role, going all the way back to the prequels. I like this new guy better after just a few minutes of screen time.
5. We are now at the point where things really need to start happening. Mon Mothma needs to get on the run, Luthen's fate must be decided, and we need to find out how we lose or disassociate Bix and Wilmon, because they aren't in Rogue One. Syril and Deedra I don't care about so much, but I enjoy their emotionally barren love affair as a side plot.
Onward and upward. Looking forward to next week. And bring on K2SO!!
Yeah, you're probably right. I imagine reprogramming K2SO is part of Cassian healing from losing B2EMO.
I mean, we've always known he was bonkers, from the get go but, man, he really is at a new level of crazy. Lining up nicely with his appearance in Rogue One.
I thought the same. Luthen is pushing all of his assets hard to do what he wants, regardless of the risk and benefits. Kleya is clearly disturbed by all of it and is trying to keep everything together. That said, I did love their exchange as they were leaving the party. Almost realignment in that moment. Maybe.
Which further adds to Luthen losing his grip. Cassian made the right call, Luthen disregarded him, and now Cinta is dead as a result. Perhaps not a direct correlation but it's there nonetheless.
I've been a huge fan of Benjamin Bratt since his days on Law & Order whereas I've never liked Smits in anything (I've grown to tolerate and maybe even enjoy him in The West Wing but that's because of the writing and less so him).
I fully expect the next trilogy to accelerate the action. Especially now that Cassian and Bix are a two-person force. I'm really looking forward to their missions...but also dread them because what will inevitably happen to Bix.
I mean we all expect that Bix is gonna get shwacked, but they could just as easily keep her alive by the end of it. Have her away on another mission during the events of Rogue One. If they're smart, have her be part of a follow-on show, similar to Andor, but during the events of the original series. Use the same format as this season with the time jumps and I think we could have something very interesting.
The whole set was very French Partisan/1940s down to the costuming. Almost expected La Marseillaise.
They tried a misdirect with Mon's asking Luthen about Vel. Those types of lines are often a death sentence. Cinta has a "Doctor's appointment" to get to anyway,
The Force is strong with this one.
Looking forward to seeing the Potato Farm and meeting Albert Potato!
Seriously, great trilogy this week.
Looking forward to seeing the Potato Farm and meeting Albert Potato!
Seriously, great trilogy this week.
This. There's no actual reason Bix has to die, she just has to be gone somehow between the last three episodes and Rogue One. Could she carry a follow-up show on her own? Maybe.
Was anyone else getting serious 'Allo Allo' vibes from this one? Just me? Okay then . . . (I mean come on! They even mentioned helping a downed allied pilot! All that was missing someone trying to smuggle a stolen masterpiece by Space van Klomp.)
Anyway; another great arc that covers a lot of ground in terms of character development and set-up for what's coming.
Interesting how they've taken the old Legends version of the Ghorman Massacre and set it in the past. I suspect this is because that version (horrific though it may be) would seem like small potatoes in the grand scheme, and they want to show the true scale of what the Empire is capable of doing when it wants something from a planet, even a core world. I imagine it's going to be half a step towards in terms of scale to the destruction of Alderaan. You don't foreshadow things like "gouge mining" and "planetary core collapse" unless it's going to be truly catastrophic.
I noticed a recurring theme of the arc seems to be everyone biting off more than they can chew; Luthen, Saw, the Ghorman Front, even the ISB are showing signs that they're exceeding their capacity to manage everything that's going on. For the Empire the solution is going to be their ultimate weapon; they won't need to watch everyone all the time any more when the whole galaxy is too terrified to act, speak, or even think about disloyalty for fear of total annihilation. For the Rebels, the answer is again going to be unity and a pooling of efforts and resources. We know Fulcrum's network is in full swing in this time, yet Luthen is acting like he's the only game in town. That's unsustainable.
Though the tragedy may have been inevitable, I think Vel's reaction to Cinta's death speaks volumes as to her growth as a character. Season 1 Vel would have just shot the idiot then had a messy freak-out. Season 2 Vel knows that a worse punishment for this guy is making him live with it for the rest of his life. A very well written and very restrained scene!
A little surprised and disappointed that Smits has been recast, though from what I gather it was purely down to scheduling incompatibility, so not much to be done about it. Nothing against Benjamin Bratt, but when I see him my brain just automatically goes to 'Demolition Man'. I realise that's a me problem. Regardless; nice to finally have Bail in the mix. One assumes he'll have a much more significant role for the rest of the season; if for no other reason than there'd be no point in recasting for such a small cameo appearance.
Not sure at which point Leia takes over as Senator, but I suspect it should be some time in the next gap, which would make sense if Bail is about to get more hands-on with the Rebellion.
Nice that the episode ends with the surprise twist of Bix getting some catharsis and Cassian helping her out of her funk and back on her own two feet. With all the focus on how the Ghorman operation is doomed to be a total shit-show, it was a neat little misdirect. Ironically, Cassian and Bix may have done more for the cause with that single act than anything going on on Ghorman, given that they've just prevented the Imperial military from replicating Gorst's methods. Indeed this setback may be why they resorted to cruder methods like the mind probe and mind flayer.
Anyway; another great arc that covers a lot of ground in terms of character development and set-up for what's coming.
Interesting how they've taken the old Legends version of the Ghorman Massacre and set it in the past. I suspect this is because that version (horrific though it may be) would seem like small potatoes in the grand scheme, and they want to show the true scale of what the Empire is capable of doing when it wants something from a planet, even a core world. I imagine it's going to be half a step towards in terms of scale to the destruction of Alderaan. You don't foreshadow things like "gouge mining" and "planetary core collapse" unless it's going to be truly catastrophic.
I noticed a recurring theme of the arc seems to be everyone biting off more than they can chew; Luthen, Saw, the Ghorman Front, even the ISB are showing signs that they're exceeding their capacity to manage everything that's going on. For the Empire the solution is going to be their ultimate weapon; they won't need to watch everyone all the time any more when the whole galaxy is too terrified to act, speak, or even think about disloyalty for fear of total annihilation. For the Rebels, the answer is again going to be unity and a pooling of efforts and resources. We know Fulcrum's network is in full swing in this time, yet Luthen is acting like he's the only game in town. That's unsustainable.
Though the tragedy may have been inevitable, I think Vel's reaction to Cinta's death speaks volumes as to her growth as a character. Season 1 Vel would have just shot the idiot then had a messy freak-out. Season 2 Vel knows that a worse punishment for this guy is making him live with it for the rest of his life. A very well written and very restrained scene!
A little surprised and disappointed that Smits has been recast, though from what I gather it was purely down to scheduling incompatibility, so not much to be done about it. Nothing against Benjamin Bratt, but when I see him my brain just automatically goes to 'Demolition Man'. I realise that's a me problem. Regardless; nice to finally have Bail in the mix. One assumes he'll have a much more significant role for the rest of the season; if for no other reason than there'd be no point in recasting for such a small cameo appearance.
Not sure at which point Leia takes over as Senator, but I suspect it should be some time in the next gap, which would make sense if Bail is about to get more hands-on with the Rebellion.
Nice that the episode ends with the surprise twist of Bix getting some catharsis and Cassian helping her out of her funk and back on her own two feet. With all the focus on how the Ghorman operation is doomed to be a total shit-show, it was a neat little misdirect. Ironically, Cassian and Bix may have done more for the cause with that single act than anything going on on Ghorman, given that they've just prevented the Imperial military from replicating Gorst's methods. Indeed this setback may be why they resorted to cruder methods like the mind probe and mind flayer.
The impression I get is that Stella and Jyn were both stabilising influences. They gave him something to focus on. With both of them long gone by this point, he's entirely untethered and unfocused. Also probably why he fixates on hunting down the clues of the Death Star's existence with such single mindedness. "The Cause" alone is too big an nebulous a concept for one person to really grasp.
I just liked how normal it was. Them going to a corner market to buy groceries and then cooking at home. Details like that are what makes this really good. I also liked references to stuff that happened between the episode blocks, but that they didn't go into details or flashbacks.
Getting to see the Imperial equivalent of your small mom-and-pop gas station and store around the corner may be the most entertaining thing about these past three episodes. It felt like places I'm familiar with, just with the signage and packaging in Aurebesh.
and drugs
What was going on with Wilmon at the end there? Was he sniffing fuel vapors or what the hell was going on? I was a little confused.
Yes, he was sniffing the vapors. And totally buying into Saw's version of Rebellion.
His face started to become misshapen too, I think.
