But remember:
PIC S1 showed the DIS/SNW version of the Constitution-class Enterprise.
So it must be more wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey than that.
So it must be more wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey than that.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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But remember:
Precisely. The premise that the TOS sets would have been created anew in the 1990s or 2000s exactly as they has been in the 1960s is absurd. The bridge of the NX-01 was influenced at least as much by the cockpit of the space shuttle—something that people had been exposed to well after TOS had originally aired, that had come to influence expectations of what the future might look like—as it was by the TOS bridge.
Well, for one thing, Lower Decks season 3, Prodigy and Picard season 3 all did variations of "Starfleet vessels going rogue against the fleet". Lower Decks with the Texas class, Prodigy with the Living Construct and Picard with the Borg assimilating the crew from within.
Also, there were a lot of thematic similarities between the mental landscape battles that Rutherford had against "Red" in Lower Decks and the battle between Data and Lore in Picard.
I think one the show runners, might have been Mike, said they do meet up and discuss things.
But remember:PIC S1 showed the DIS/SNW version of the Constitution-class Enterprise.
So it must be more wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey than that.
It could have been wibbly-wobbly timey-whimey. Or it could be that the Constitution class underwent a refit between SNW and TOS and that therefore either depiction of the Enterprise is historically accurate.
Hell, we already know that the Enterprise under Pike has been every bit as historically significant as it would be under Kirk.
I mean, sure, but there again "Supernova, Parts I & II" (PRO), "The Stars at Night" (LD), and "Vox"/"The Last Generation" (PIC) clearly all draw to some extent from the battle between the Enterprise and the Reliant in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and from the Enterprise attacking the rest of the fleet while under the control of the M5 in "The Ultimate Computer" (TOS).
Like, there's a point where we just have to accept that similar plot structures can be used in the service of very different stories.
I wonder about that, since the basic idea in the conclusion of both Prodigy season 1 and Picard season 3 are awfully similar to the point that one would think that if both productions were aware of what the other was doing, they might have changed some things around.
(This is unrelated to the previous discussion.)
Not everything needs to be connected.
I'm tired of reading about 50,000 theories about how Trelane is actually a Q, or how V'Ger encountered the Borg homeworld. The galaxy is huge. It's boring if everything just comes back to the same few things.
Not everything needs to be connected.
I'm tired of reading about 50,000 theories about how Trelane is actually a Q, or how V'Ger encountered the Borg homeworld. The galaxy is huge. It's boring if everything just comes back to the same few things.
James Darren did 66 episodes of TJ Hooker.
It was within his power to bring Kirk to DS9.
It was within his power to bring Kirk to DS9.
Though I never disliked the look, I always thought of it as holding a spoon between two bent fingers.We call it the sleek Italian running shoe.
Or, it’s much simpler: the SNW Enterprise will eventually be refit to basically become the TOS Enterprise, and that one will eventually be refit in its turn to become the TMP version. That day, the Starfleet lobby hologram was set to show the earlier SNW version; it’s periodically switched out to show one of the other two. (More likely, a random major starship at a random point in its history is probably rotated in every so often.).But remember:PIC S1 showed the DIS/SNW version of the Constitution-class Enterprise.
So it must be more wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey than that.
(The only onscreen Trek to show the SNW version existing during the TOS 5-year mission is the comedy cartoon about the robot chasing the tardigrade all over the ship for twenty years and nobody noticing — which is fun and funny, but I can’t comprehend how anybody takes it seriously; it’s up there with the USS Ravenous where the kids eat nutritious tribbles.)
Controversial:
They should have used the movie style Constitution bridge in TNG: Relics.
Doesn't matter which one, but all would have been a superior choice to the TOS one.
They should have used the movie style Constitution bridge in TNG: Relics.
Doesn't matter which one, but all would have been a superior choice to the TOS one.
I agree and disagree at the same time.
Agree: Because Scotty spent 18 months refitting the Enterprise. That version of the ship is one that he built and that he oversaw. That's the version of the ship he created. In-Universe it would make sense that Scotty would choose the TMP Enterprise.
Disagree: Because this was 1992. The TOS Movies weren't that old yet. The '80s were not yet "retro". The '60s were. And there were more on-screen adventures with the TOS Enterprise than the TMP Enterprise, so the TOS version is the one audiences spent more time with. So having the TMP Enterprise wouldn't have had the same effect they were going for.
Funny thing: If this were today, "Relics" would've been torn to shreds. "Nostalgia!" "Fanwank!" To those people I say (hey, this is the Controversial Opinions thread): Lighten up already and stop acting like such sticks in the mud! Seriously, that's how they all sound to me.
It [Excelsior] really did look like a bathtub.
Back then Cinefantastique magazine said that Excelsior's hull resembled a tube of toothpaste that had been mercilessly squeezed in the wrong place.
"A pregnant guppy" was another identification.
I think you could very much say the same about “Trials and Tribbleations”, “Flashback” and The Mirror 2-Parter from Enterprise….at least from certain parts of the fanbase that is.
I mean, they absolutely are all fanwank! "Relics," "Flashback," "Trials and Tribble-ations," "In a Mirror, Darkly, Parts I & II" are absolutely all fanwankery. Fanwank is fine in small doses -- it's when you start building an entire season or an entire series around it that it becomes problematic. One or two episodes is fine.
Here is an opinion certain not to get me consensus: I would have been more happy if Star Trek: Picard had used the Excalibur class and the Resolute class from Star Trek Online as early 25th century heirs to the Constitution and Excelsior lineages over the canonical Constitution-III class and Excelsior-II class.
I'll wait until October to go into the type of detail I want to go into here...
... but, I'll leave it with this for now: If it makes sense that something could happen and it's part of a character's life, then what we're talking about is continuing someone's story. That's building on top of previous material, not using it at random for no reason. Big difference that not enough people distinguish between.
Generally not a fan of STO ship designs, but at least they look like they would be part of the design lineage with late 24thC and early 25thC Starfleet ships, unlike direct recycling of ship designs which are pushing 130-160 years in-universe.Here is an opinion certain not to get me consensus: I would have been more happy if Star Trek: Picard had used the Excalibur class and the Resolute class from Star Trek Online as early 25th century heirs to the Constitution and Excelsior lineages over the canonical Constitution-III class and Excelsior-II class.
And I got another cosmic coincidence in my streaming: Enterprise's "The Expanse" followed by Deep Space 9's "Homefront - Paradise Lost". Both episodes where things get nasty, as the aliens no longer go against our intrepid adventurers in space, but rather commit terrorism against an unsuspecting planet Earth (which is usually absent from the series if we exclude Earth-like planets, holodeck simulations, time-travel episodes, flashbacks, and merely spoken references).
My controversial opinion? Again, Enterprise does it better than a fan-favorite show. In Enterprise it was an attack on a continental scale, with millions of deaths, including the sister of Tucker. You really get the point that things got bad, and that it's close and personal. In DS9, things are not so dire: just a mundane bomb attack and most of everything else was just a false-flag operation of people within Starfleet.
My controversial opinion? Again, Enterprise does it better than a fan-favorite show. In Enterprise it was an attack on a continental scale, with millions of deaths, including the sister of Tucker. You really get the point that things got bad, and that it's close and personal. In DS9, things are not so dire: just a mundane bomb attack and most of everything else was just a false-flag operation of people within Starfleet.
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