Starfleet Museum spoilers: Spoiler Museum ships: 1. USS New Jersey NCC-1975 (TOS Connie) 2. USS Voyager 3. USS Enterprise-A 4. HMS Bounty 5. NX refit (presumably the NX-01) 6. Excelsior class (presumably the NCC-2000) 7. K’T’inga (Kronos One?) 8. Romulan BoP from PIC/SNW 9. USS Defiant 10. Constellation class (presumably the Stargazer) 11. Akira class 12. Saber class 13. Nebula class 14. Miranda class Geordi also has gold-plated desktop models of the Enterprise-B and C, along with a Surak shuttle from TMP. There was no USS Pioneer or a Luna class starship, despite what is shown in the end credits. Nor did we see the Enterprise-D saucer (unless they were inside the station.) The choice to use the Akira, Saber and Nebula were odd, because those ships aren’t that old. But then neither is the Voyager or the Defiant. What’s really interesting is that not a single DSC or SNW 23rd century Starfleet vessel was used, despite having those CGI models freely available. I wonder if that was intentional.
It’s actually not unusual to have relatively young planes in air museums. For example there’s a Boeing 787 Dreamliner test plane in the Museum of Flight in Seattle, and there’s an early production F-22 Raptor in the USAF museum in Ohio. There’s also the X-35B prototype in the Smithsonian, with the YF-22 parked elsewhere. Drawing this forward to the Fleet museum, if the relatively new Nebula and Akira ships were THE USS Nebula and USS Akira, or other early-run ships of the line perhaps that would make sense to preserve them next to other prototypes like the NX-Enterprise and Excelsior… Or if you follow the logic of this production era and assume that ships of the Ross or Sutherland classes and their ilk ARE the old ships refitted, then perhaps the museum would like to keep an unaltered example around for posterity. And where are all the Disco-era starship designs? In their own facility on the opposite side of the planet? It’s not like they don’t have access to the ship models. And even though this whole episode caters to fans of Star Trek from 1965-2001, there’s still a new block of tech missing that should be accounted for. Mark
Picard stated every "legendary" ship ends up there. Considering the inclusion of the Enterprise-A, HMS Bounty; and what appears to be Kronos One, we can infer that the Nebula, Akira, and Saber-class ships also did something notable, we as the viewer just don't know what. As an example, the Nebula-class could be there based on Mike Okuda's conjectural history for the USS Endeavour, that was believed to be the only ship to survive the Battle of Wolf 359.
Picard: The Fleet Museum. Every legendary starship. This is their final resting place. Shaw: The old space dock. That's pretty clear cut to me.
Not without IRL precedent. The Smithsonian's Air & Space Museum has multiple locales, not just the one on The Mall in DC. There's also the Udvar-Hazy facility in Chantilly/Dulles and a number of other storage warehouses and restoration labs containing unseen artifacts that aren't open to the public.
In many ways, it's more impressive than the original. The control tower exhibit is particularly cool, as you get to see a bird's eye view of the planes coming in and taking off. I once saw a Russian AN-225 land there at Dulles about 15 years ago when I was up in the tower - biggest wingspan of any plane in the world. It's amazing how they could get something like that to fly.
That museum was great, and had some interesting implications. So, the USS New Jersey is an original TOS Constitution, and the Enterprise-A has its normal movie look. Now fans of the Discovery and SNW style Constitution Class really can't justify the original Constitution design as just being interpretative or whatever, the TOS Constitution Class design is now consistent between TOS, TNG, DS9, ENT and PIC. DSC and SNW are the outliers, and last time I checked 5 examples beats 2 counter examples. People can, somehow, disregard Trials and Tribble-ations and In a Mirror Darkly while defending the DSC Constitution, but the stretching they'll need to say the Constitution Class in PIC isn't canon will interesting. To be clear, I really enjoy SNW as a show and don't absolutely hate its Enterprise design, but I've always maintained that the 1701's original design is the canon design, and now even Picard S3 agrees with me. I'm sure I'll lose the size war (the 1701 Enterprise will always be 289-ish meters to me), but we got the classic TOS design and Refit Constitution clearly on screen the the "present day" of Star Trek, and I love it. I also loved seeing the other ships, I wish we'd gotten a full on view of the refit NX-01 but its cool to even have it in the background.
100%. My mind immediately went to Udvar-Hazy. You have to plan for getting there, it's a bit outside of DC, but it is amazing.
Part of my problem with that description of the treaty is how the Romulans expected to enforce it in the case of legitimate violations, short of directly fighting the Feds in a war (with the risk of drawing in other powers like the Klingons). The Klingons use cloaks as well and were political allies, and it's not like the Romulans could bar them from the occasional "loan" as Picard arranged to find Spock. We've had also instances where the Federation used holographic technology to hide themselves as they would do with a cloak ("Who Watches the Watchers?" and Insurrection among others), so it kind of undercuts their reliability. It was nice to see an original TOS style Constitution class, because I'm agreement that the original design (at least in terms of exteriors) can still be made to look good on a modern screen. It would seem to open some interesting problems related to SNW continuity, though. In some ways, it reminds me of the warship art problem in Battletech. When Technical Readout 2750 was released, it was the first tech book to deal specifically with the advanced technology of the Star League (then mostly lost in game storyline) and to show the large naval designs that made up the Star League Defense Force's fleet. Many of the ships which survived the brutal Amaris War (which triggered the ultimate collapse of the League) chose to leave with General Kerensky on the Exodus, and those warships that stayed in the service of the Great Houses were effectively exterminated by the end of the Second Succession War. Then when Technical Readout 3057 was released, most of the 2750 designs were updated to represent the Exodus fleet (whose descendants had evolved into the Clans of Kerenksy). Problem was, the art used for 2750 had been misplaced and couldn't be found in time for the publication date. So the major classes were given entirely new art for TRO 3057, with the game runners since saying that these are later block II advanced models and the 2750 versions are earlier block Is. This isn't a bad solution by itself, but there are two potential problems. Some designs, like the Black Lion battlecruisers, have art that doesn't seem to mesh aesthetically or design wise, and it's very unclear in terms of written continuity when the 3057 types entered regular service and presumably replaced their block I counterparts. The two-book set that covers the Amaris War in detail shows the SLDF only using 2750 type designs in the first volume and the nascent Clans using 3057 types in the second, when they were first getting organized. They're even shown using the 3057 version of the Vincent corvettes, which is implied in the TRO text to be a later Clan model that likely wouldn't have been in service when the Exodus fleet left. It's certainly not impossible for some of the older 2750 ships to have survived, and some are even confirmed to have done so as late as the 3070s. It's just very confusing to tell how many such ships remained in service and whether there's any advantage to using the older designs versus the newer ones. The Clans only built a relative handful of newer vessels before they returned in 3049, as their combat doctrine puts far more emphasis on ground forces and mechs in particular.
Not as many people think. Lamp shade it with Lower Decks: Boimler: "Oh, I thought it always looked like this." Mariner: "Please. Those historical recreations are terrible and over the top. It looked nothing like that."
"Some of them looked like THIS at times...and looked like THAT at others! How many blocks were authorized altogether, Boims? Four or five?"
PIC S1 had a holo Discoprise at SFC, unfortunately I found the tower quite underwhelming. Mriya was sadly destroyed by the Russians, but they are selling a MSFS version of it to support rebuilding it.
this is not really an issue: such holograms would probably fool a villager’s eyes, but they won’t mask a ship from sensors.