Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x05 - "Imposters"

Don't hope too much. I mean I would love it, but it is not very likely to happen.

 

Yup. There are many season one eps that have a ‘shit’ stamp on them, but are actually perfectly fine. But the received knowledge tends to make that stamp stick. Makes me a deviant in the world of Trek — I don’t think Code of Honour is quite what people say it is now for example, and find some of the reaction… bemusingly funny. Partly because the reaction itself is based in its own kind of strange bigotry.
Those people are not remotely dressed like Africans, for example of one thing I hear a lot of. Neelix is closer to African dress, and even then only on a Sunday.
But it’s the received wisdom, from a very USCentric perspective. But I have wittered about Hollywood global perception in Trek enough round these parts.
Season One is more pure SF than Trek would ever manage again, and a very different world to the rest of Trek around it. It was very brave, especially for TV at the time.

I’m still amazed that Picard has at least explained that Picard is not-exactly French, and that Jack Crusher’s accent hasn’t automatically made him the villain (still a criminal though init) and is at least from vaguely the right place they say it is.

 

I thought Jack got his accent from when he was working at Downton Abbey... ?

 

It’s just a mistake. Picard and Riker recognized the earring as her’s.

 

Hearing a lot of disagreement about the Vulcan gangster, but I thought he was great. I particularly liked the bling IDIC.

Vulcans are not really thus morally superior emotionless species. Trek seems to have been trying to say this to us for decades, but it feels like a lot of people aren't listening. One of the biggest cases for this is the fact that most Romulans we meet are much more stable and subtle than they should be if we believed the Vulcan rhetoric about the species being too violent when emotions are left unchecked. And that's been the case since even TOS.

Vulcan culture is an essential part of Trek lore, but I think they idea has always been that it's flawed, just that it's flawed in different ways to human culture and that both can learn from the other.

 

Yup. That we are told one thing, and shown another.
Honourable Klingons.
Dishonest Ferengi.
Brave Humans.
Honest Vulcans.
Almost as though Trek is making a point about cultural monoliths being a bit of a lie.

 

Sturgeon introduced that shot of realism into the Vulcans.

 

I wanna see Klingon librarians, Romulan hairdressers and a Ferengi who puts love above money. Screw the monoliths!

 

Think we have had two out of three of those already xD

 

Nicola? The Scottish first minister who recently resigned?

 

I've always wanted to see a Klingon who followed the teachings of Surak. I expect it would be similar to how Worf is currently being portrayed though.

 

It was great to see Michelle Forbes return on this week's episode of Picard, but while watching it, I couldn't help but reflect that while it may only be a bit of Trek fandom apocrypha that her character Ro Laren was named in honor of the Roe vs. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision, it is an unfortunate coincidence that the fictional Ro met her end the same year that landmark decision was overturned.

 

Maybe in 30 years she changed her jewelry.

 

So they bring back yet another beloved TNG character only to kill her off immediately. At least this time she got a heroic death.

I'm starting to wonder if the Conspiracy aliens will end up being involved in this. If they have some kind of alliance and it helped them upgrade their shapeshifting power.

 

Pocket Books "The Making of ST:TMP" established white as the color for a command XE suit (Kirk) and orange for science (Spock), so as one of the vocal minority who love that film, I was probably the only person in the theater back in June of 1982 who grimaced after seeing Paul Winfield wearing an orange suit and Walter Koenig in white in an early sequence of TWOK

 

Apologies—I meant this as a reply in this thread: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/tmp-spacesuit-up-close.313304/

 

Terry M’Talas has said they Conspiracy aliens aren’t involved. I wish we had seen those critters again. I think it could have been a great plot for a Trek movie.

Regarding Ro, I guess I’d long assumed she got killed when the Dominion wiped out the Maquis. I’m glad I was wrong. The Picard/Ro scenes were beautifully done. It’s a shame Riker didn’t get any real interaction with her, I enjoyed their love/hate relationship back in the day (not to mention their brief romance in Conundrum).

 

I'm almost afraid to say it for fear of jinxing it, but I love season 3. We're now far beyond the point where the previous two seasons fell off cliffs, so I'm hopeful it'll stick the landing and wrap up TNG the way we've been waiting decades for. DS9 is my favourite Trek show, so I've been a huge fan of the tie-ins and references to that series too.

My only slight worry is Jack Crusher - with any luck the answer to his mystery isn't too hokey, vague, or nonsensical. Also, am I setting myself up for disappointment by retaining a hope that Janeway will make an appearance?

 

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Season 1 never really fell off a cliff (great episodes like "The Impossuble Box", "Nepenthe" and "Broken Pieces" were late into Season 1) and Season 2 rallied in its last couple of episodes after it kinda went to shit around Episode 3/4, as soon as they went to LA. What sort of fan consensus is this?

Ro and Hugh - I see a sad pattern of killing old TNG characters off in a heroic fashion, especially when they spent decades rebuilding their wrecked lives (Hugh rehabilitating the XBs and Ro rejoining Starfleet, etc).