What ships SHOULD they have used in the Dominion War?

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  1. Dukhat

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    Since they used the Eaglemoss CGI model of the Steamrunner class in PIC, there's no logical reason why they couldn't use the EM CGI model of the Norway in the future.
     
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  2. Tim Walker

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    I recall a comment I came across awhile back-that the Steamrunner doesn't look like a Federation ship.

    What if the Steamrunners were warships purchased from a foreign power? An emergency purchase, because warships were needed yesterday?

    Consider-a primary hull that is more of a trapezoid than a saucer. Nacelles connected directly to the primary hull, rather than being extended on pylons. Come to think of it, that description also applies to the Saber class.
     
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    It's a saucer, nacelles and a pod holding the deflector. How does it not look Federation?

    It's more conventional in appearance than the Defiant for example.
     
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    It and the Disco Section 31 ships seem related
     
  5. Arpy

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    Why do you say that? It’s not black, angular, and awful.
     
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    It is lean…also an Eaves design I think
     
  7. Dukhat

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    Alex Jaeger designed the Steamrunner, Saber, Norway and Akira classes.
     
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    The Steamrunner-class was designed by Alex Jaeger, who also designed the Akira-class, Saber-class, and Norway-class.
     
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    IMO a generic Federation fleet should've consisted of more of the Wolf 359 kitbashes. I know lost of people hate especially the Challenger and Freedom classes, but I like both of them, especially the Freedom. A few ships with newer components would've rounded out the fleet nicely, and the New Orleans and Cheyenne both look like they would be hero ships in their own right. Also, the Saber class and Nebula class were drastically underused in DS9 fleet battles, and maybe even the Luna class could've made an appearance.
     
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  11. Dukhat

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    I agree that there should have been far more classes contemporaneous to the Galaxy class, rather than the overuse of Excelsiors and Mirandas.

    There were lots of Sabers in the fleet shots, at least as many as the Akiras and Steamrunners, because they got those CGI models from ILM to use to pad out the fleet. But the Luna class (based on the Titan from Star Trek Nemesis) was designed in 2005, while DS9 ended in 1999. So that wouldn't have happened.
     
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  13. Dukhat

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    I think you messed up the quoting function there ;)

    Anyway, they wouldn’t have used Sabers instead of those two Mirandas because the three FC ships were low poly and wouldn’t have looked good up close. Conversely, the CGI Mirandas were scanned from the original filming model and had all of the details of that model.
     
  14. Arpy

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    The scene could have been shot differently to accommodate the models. Honestly the ships were way too close together. This is outer space and they’re flying at mind boggling speeds even at sunlight. Which there’s little reason to maintain anyway. That close, even without atmosphere the explosive force of even a single torpedo should be knocking ships into each other.
     
  15. Dukhat

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    I seriously doubt they were worried about IRL concerns. If they were, we would have heard silence when those ships flew by or when they were being shot at, because sound doesn't travel through the vacuum of space.
     
  16. Arpy

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    They should have. The times they do you feel it more viscerally and connect stronger.
     
  17. Dukhat

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    Really? I can’t think of a single time that Star Trek did anything that was scientifically accurate where space travel was concerned.
     
  18. Arpy

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    Lol you’re not going to find reality in most science fiction but it’s a matter of degrees, of style. When Trek, or any sci-fi, leans toward verisimilitude it’s easier to give yourself over to the illusion, to become invested in both the effects and the story.
     
  19. Flight Control

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    Yeah, my bad.

    So, besides the three First Contact models, the Excelsior, Miranda, Galaxy, Nebula, and Defiant classes, there were no other models they could've used? I thought an Oberth appeared in the battle of Sector 001. I know it was at least as old as the Miranda class, but it still could've added variety to the fleet. Did something happen to that model too, or was it not CGI?
     
  20. Dukhat

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    In order to show the fleet engaging with enemy ships, all of them needed to be CGI. The shots wouldn't have worked with physical models. The three FC ships were given to them by ILM to use, they already had CGI models of the Defiant and the Nebula from previous episodes, and they scanned the physical filming models of the Reliant, Greg Jein's "Flashback" Excelsior, and the Enterprise-D into CGI. With those eight ship classes, they felt that that was all they needed to pad out the fleet. Because the Reliant, Excelsior and Galaxy models were more detailed due to being scanned from their physical models, they were more prominently shown, while the lower poly FC ships were mostly in the background.

    There was an Oberth CGI model made for Star Trek First Contact, but it was very low poly and unusable for the fleet scenes. For whatever reason (or perhaps because they didn't think an Oberth would be a useful ship in a battle fleet?), they didn't scan the Grissom filming model (then labeled as the Pegasus) into CGI. Conversely, they didn't scan either the Constellation or Ambassador filming models either, because they were crated up and hadn't been used for years. They also didn't add the Intrepid or Sovereign classes because they didn't want the audience confused into thinking they were the Voyager or Enterprise-E, respectively. They did have the Prometheus and Nova class CGI models from VOY, but for whatever reason they weren't used either.

    As far as designing new ships for the fleet: They simply didn't have the time or the need to do so. They had enough ships with those eight other classes to get by.
     
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