NEW ONGOING TREK CROSSOVER SERIES BEGINS OCTOBER 2022

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  1. DS9forever

    DS9forever Commodore Commodore

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    And the Borg are a lot of things but not God-like.
     
  2. Markonian

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    The uniform reminds me a bit of that of Captain Alexander Chase of the USS Enterprise from Star Trek: Final Frontier.
    But I'm not a fan. I like that the colors are bright/intense but the style isn't even consistent - the Vulcan's pattern is an inversion of Worf's.
    Alexander Chase.jpg
     
  3. mastadge

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    Eh. It wasn't quite as egregious but they didn't even get the anniversary of Wolf 359 right in the show itself.
     
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  4. StewMc

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    On more than one occasion too, it was meant to be the 4 year anniversary in “Second Sight” when it was just over 3 years, and in First Contact it was meant to be “nearly 6 years” when it was actually nearly 7.
     
  5. Avro Arrow

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    Starfleet never really seemed comfortable with Sisko's relationship with the Prophets. I'm curious to see how they justify in-story that now Starfleet is willing to give him a ship, the pick of any crew he wants, and apparently their own special uniforms (;)) in order to carry out a mission given to him by those same Prophets, which apparently involves investigating the murders of the "gods".
     
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    Lol. Arguably, this is following a tradition of butchering mathematics! A caption in the first DS9 episode claimed 3 years had passed between Jennifer dying and Benjamin and Jake arriving on the station, but in reality it was between 2.0 and 2.5 years!
     
  7. Christopher

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    In principle, there's no reason why the passage of time within the story has to equal the passage of time in real life. The Trek shows are set in the future, they aren't set on Earth, and they don't reference the seasons or holidays or the like, so there generally aren't any time cues to lock down how much time has passed. The general fan/novel assumption that 1000 stardate units equals exactly one Earth year has never been explicitly stated to be true onscreen (and apparently the Lower Decks writers use a stardate formula that contradicts it, since they intended the first two and a half seasons of the show to take place entirely in 2380 despite the stardates' second digit rolling over between seasons 1 & 2). Sometimes the franchise embraces that vagueness to do things like aging up Molly O'Brien to three years old less than a season and a half after her birth.

    On the other hand, when the franchise does make references to a calendar year or mention an elapsed number of years since a previous episode, it generally does correspond to the number of years that have passed in real life (e.g. "All Good Things..." saying that it's been seven years since "Encounter at Farpoint"). Except in the cases where it doesn't, like the ones mentioned above. But in principle, it was never meant to be locked down that specifically. The whole reason stardates were invented was to avoid giving any clear timing cues, so that the series could be flexible about how far in the future it was or how much time passed between episodes.
     
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  8. Johnny Luck

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    Well, the first issue came out today. I added the title to my pull list at my LCS but I have to wait till my next delivery is shipped from them to acquire/read the issue.

    While there is merit to reading it now via digital copies, for this occasion I want to savor holding the issue in my hands whilst reading it (the same feeling I have regarding the novels too)
     
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  9. tenmei

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    When does Jake arrive on the Theseus or is Sisko hallucinating him?
     
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  10. DS9forever

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    Calling Sisko's daughter Sarah makes more sense than calling her Rebecca like the novels did.
     
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  11. JoeZhang

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    This was…ok-ish?

    I don’t think the voice was quite right and some slightly odd moments that took me out of the story.
     
  12. Markonian

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    In the novels, Rebecca raised Benjamin, and he didn't learn about Sarah until adulthood. Emotionally, Rebecca would be a worthy namesake.

    Observations:
    * Love the details given about the Theseus and its class:
    Discovery-class experimental cruiser
    * Data is a full Commander aboard the Theseus.
    * As noted before, Jake's time references are odd.
    * The story takes place in 2378. The Theseus crew wears their colorful uniform with no explanation. Given what we've seen in Star Trek: Prodigy,
    special uniforms for experimental ships
    may be typical in Starfleet. Perhaps the 2370s-era flight suits (VOY ep: "Drive") started out as such?

    Recommended reading/watching list:
    * Star Trek: Year Five comic 13
    * TNG eps: "Datalore" and "Silicon Avatar"
    * LD ep: "We'll Always Have Tom Paris"
     
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  13. tenmei

    tenmei Commodore Commodore

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    Lanzing has said this was a typo and will be corrected for the Trade.
     
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  15. Tosk

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    I'll admit, I didn't have high hopes for this one.

    ...And with all due respect to the creators, this one is definitely not for me. I'll just say it reads like poor fanfic and leave it at that. Looks nice, though. But did Ben leave his eyebrows in the Celestial Temple? ;)

    Emissary takes place three years after the Battle of Wolf 359. Second Sight is in the second season. So that's four years.
     
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  16. Christopher

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    Not quite. BOBW was at the end of TNG season 3, and "Emissary" debuted less than halfway through TNG season 6, so the interval is not quite two and a half years. The stardate difference is 46388 - 43997 = 2391, which matches that if we assume 1000 units = 1 year. The real-world interval was June 18, 1990 to January 3, 1993, or two years, six and a half months. "Second Sight" aired ten months after "Emissary," or three years, four months after BOBW; its stardate was 47329.4, only 3332 units after BOBW. Both come out to three and a third years, not four.
     
  17. Tosk

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  18. Christopher

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    Yes, but I shouldn't have to point out the obvious difference between "three years later on the calendar" and "the third anniversary." Consider the difference between, say, December 31, 2000 and January 1, 2003. The calendar years are three apart, but the actual interval is only two years and two days. When you're talking about anniversaries, by definition, you have to break it down to the exact date, not just the overall year.
     
  19. Tosk

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    You're using air dates and assumptions about stardates to guess lengths of time. Personally, I choose to side with the amount of time that is stated outright on screen. (Sisko's log, I mean.) Maybe that's my own bias, I've never hewn to stardates.
     
  20. Stevil2001

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    I've been tinkering with a timeline that purely works off internal references, not unsubstantiated assumptions about how stardates work. By its reckoning:
    • Aug. 2366: "The Best of Both Worlds"
    • Feb. 2369: "Emissary" (obviously not exactly three years later, but reasonably described as such)
    • Aug. 2370: "Second Sight"
    This does mean that there are only seven DS9 episodes covering the first seven months of 2370, and sixteen for August through December, but I don't see a reason to assume interesting things happen at precise intervals.

    (My timeline isn't perfect, though; DS9 has lots of time references and they don't always add up. I've never been able to get "The Assignment"'s supposed September setting to match the surrounding context, for example.)
     
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