Hey, I never noticed that before....

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Warped9, Aug 1, 2015.

  1. Tango

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    Thank you! I must have mistook the date of the most recent post in the original thread.
     
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  2. Maurice

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    Heck, in Star Wars you can see Han mouth "It's worse" in the wide shot and then repeat the line (with audio) in the subsequent closeup.And such continuity mismatches are all over TV. Usually it's just a mistake. Once in a while it's deliberate so viewers can register a big change in setting and track where everyone is.

    Star Trek rarely shot with two cameras. It's harder to light for two cameras.
     
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    Yep. One well-documented case was the barroom brawl in "The Trouble with Tribbles." They had a hand-held camera in there. And I'll bet they did the same thing for the arena scene in "Amok Time." Some of the wild shots and dutch angles (Spock's madness) were probably done with the hand-held. And also possibly "Operation: Annihilate!" when Spock attacks the bridge and gets wrestled to the floor. That's not a lot of shots in three years.

    They probably used two cameras for outdoor action scenes, like Kirk fighting Salish in "The Paradise Syndrome," or the teaser to "A Private Little War."
     
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  4. Maurice

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    Also "I Mudd" during the "confuse the androids by dancing" bit.

    A show like Hill Street Blues would sometimes use as many as four cameras during certain sequences.
     
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    It happens. In Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, fans quickly spotted the same extra running past Dr. Strange four times in a matter of seconds.

     
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    Bullitt had the green Volkswagen Beetle.
     
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  7. Maurice

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    Over and over and over...
     
  8. Noname Given

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    Hey don't forget the shot of Sulu looking over his shoulder back at Kirk, from TOS S1, but used/cut to many a time over the three seasons of original Star Trek.
     
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  9. JonnyQuest037

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    That's just recycling stock footage. Not the same thing.
     
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  10. alchemist

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    I took a cursory look at my film clips and it looks like somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the TOS episodes had scenes that were shot using two cameras. The scenes are a mix of those filmed at exterior locations and those done on a sound stage.
     
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  11. ZapBrannigan

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    Could some of those sound stage clips be single-camera, but different takes of the same scene to get an additional angle?
     
  12. alchemist

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    No, the slates are from the same takes but from different angles. They’re clearly labeled camera A and camera B. Or camera A and ARRI.
     
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  13. Maurice

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    That's interesting. On location stuff I find unsurprising.
     
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    That can give you indigestion.
     
  15. Talos IV

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    Yes. When I first saw that scene, I was struck by how tiny the bridge looks compared to other episodes. The lighting and music make it spooky, though.

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    In their book, Herb Solow and Bob Justman wrote, "'The Enemy Within' went three-quarters of a day over schedule ... suddenly, anxiety and concern entered the picture."
     
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    The fully enclosed bridge set looks sweaty hot in those photos. :cool:
     
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    There’s no indication in either the scripts or the production records that either optical work or rear projection was to be used for the view screen, and I’m not surprised. These bridge scenes in Act 4 were a bit of a mess, in large part because Roddenberry and company had trouble settling on how Kirk's double was to be subdued. Here are the salient points:

    1. First draft script, 6/8/66 – Double is phasered on the bridge by the good Kirk.
    2. Final draft script, 6/11/66 – Double is still phasered on the bridge by the good Kirk.
    3. Shooting schedule prepared, unknown date – Bridge scenes scheduled for 6/15 and the double is still phasered on the bridge by the good Kirk.
    4. Call sheets, unknown date - Act 4 bridge scenes scheduled to be filmed on 6/16/66, no indication as to how the double is to be subdued.
    5. Page revisions for the bridge scene sent down on 6/11, 6/13, and 6/16 – Double is now, fnally, hypo-ed by McCoy. Note that this last revision is on the same day as the scenes that were to be filmed, according to the call sheet!
    6. Daily production report, 6/17/66 – Bridge scenes actually filmed consistent with final (6/16) script revisions.
    7. Double being hypo-ed is completely cut from final print (but, as an FYI, reconstructed in Lost Scenes).
     
  19. ZapBrannigan

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    Having Goodkirk talk Evilkirk into submission was better drama than just shooting a phaser. It gave Shatner a better platform to sell the story, and it gave his character(s) more agency and sway within the plot.
     
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    Big agree.
     
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