What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

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  1. Oddish

    Oddish Admiral Admiral

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    If it involves Data and singing barbershop, I'm totally all in.
     
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  2. Vger23

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    Nemesis is a much better film than Insurrection. At least things happen in NEM and it tried to be a great, exciting film.

    INS literally aimed to be light and mediocre…and the fact that it exceeded those criteria by a wide margin make it Trek’s only unforgivable box office outing for me. Absolutely embarrassing and dreadful, and more disposable than 75% of the 1-hour television shows (each with 1/40th the budget) it was based on.

    Franchise low-mark.
     
  3. dupersuper

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    ...We hope...

    Plus the villain's "plan" is profoundly stupid.

    So does a root canal...

    Even worse: they were a small agrarian colony that had abandoned technology. If the Federation built a massive complex on the other side of the planet, they would know...how? Star Trek often forgets how large planets are...
     
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  4. Vanyel

    Vanyel The Imperious Leader Premium Member

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    Yet they knew what was wrong with Data and how to fix him. It, to me anyway, seemed they left behind their dependence on technology, but still had it and how to recreate it if the need arose. Even if Starfleet took the long way around, or waited until the their base was on the night side to hide their approach or they couldn't be seen because they were on the opposite side of the planet, sooner or later, someone on the planet would notice, or they would explore their planet and find the base. A bad crop. drastic meteorological disturbances or change (a volcano or earthquakes) in their area could cause them to pull out that old tech to look for a new part of the planet to live on and find the base.

    And regardless of how they got to the planet it is their home. The Federation know the people are capable of warp travel, but choose not to use it, meaning the Federation by its own code of conduct would have to ask to make a base.
     
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  5. dupersuper

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    They have technical know-how, sure, but they weren't using it and likely wouldn't be scanning for ships.

    The Federation sure, but the rogue admiral was being needlessly evil.
     
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  6. Vanyel

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    But if they had to move or just chose to explore they could use their technical know-how to recreate, or just pull out their tech to make the journey safe and either see the ships (or stars that come and go if they get far enough away to be on the side of the planet that is dark.

    Also, as the leader of the Ba'Ku said "Our technological abilities are not apparent because we have chosen not to employ them in our daily lives." So they have the tech, but don't use it as regularly as the Federation. I and others have made the mistake to say they have abandoned their technology, but they haven't. Now that they know that the Federation is around, and it would seem logical that word would get out about their planets regenerative abilities, they may decide to bring out that scanning technology they used when they once explored the stars. They may not have been scanning the skies before which allowed the Sona to approach, now it would be in their best interests to scan the skies.
     
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    I wonder whether they also pass the know-how of high tech on to younger generations or it's simply the remnants of their previous life.

    After all, they don't age, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're immortal in the absolute sense. They might still end up dead after falling from a mountain cliff or drowning or some rampant infectious disease or what-have-you, and valuable (even if seldomly used) knowledge might be lost that way.
     
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  8. Oddish

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    People often confuse "asenescent" (doesn't age) with "immortal" (cannot die period). We actually have lifeforms that are asenescent, but as far as I know, everything on this planet can be killed some way or other.
     
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  9. Mytran

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    The adult Ba'ku may have retained the technical knowledge needed in order to attempt a repair on Data, but I wonder what tech would have been left behind after the Son'a staged their exodus a century prior. Was there a super secret warehouse full of forbidden tech which was still available to the Ba'ku once the duckblind went down? Where was it hidden in the village? The Son'a must have taken space ships, but what else?

    It makes me wonder if the Ba'ku used the tech in the Starfleet base to attempt their repairs on Data and were just referring to their scientific knowledge in the quoted dialogue.
     
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  10. Kor

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    TUC actually didn't refer to the Enterprise-A as the flagship, either in dialog or on any charts or displays visible to the viewer. They never stated that the ship had any special level of status within the fleet.

    Kor
     
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    The only Enterprise explicitly referred to as a flagship on-screen throughout all of TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY (and associated movies) was the Enterprise-D.
     
  12. Farscape One

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    Very true. The only reason the Enterprise-A was the one escorting Gorkon's ship was because Spock volunteered the ship and crew.
     
  13. fireproof78

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    Yeah, nothing indicates the A as a flagship. It merely played escort for the Chancellor's ship.
     
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    And they only picked Kirk and the Enterprise because Spock volunteered the ship and crew and because of Kirk’s reputation (“they’ll think twice about attacking the Enterprise under your command”).
     
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    That, and Bill’s observation that Kirk’s antipathy toward Klingons would signal the more reactionary beings in the Empire that the time for war was over.
     
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  16. Tango

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    My controversial Star Trek opinion is: I am the only Star Trek fan without any controversial Star Trek opinions. No, wait...
     
  17. Kor

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    While not specifically mentioned in the movie, he also couldn't be accused by anyone in the Federation of acting out of pro-Klingon sympathy or whatever, having his loyalties called into question.

    Kor
     
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    Indeed.
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  19. Lord Garth

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    Controversial Opinion, because it changes the next five seasons of the show: Once the Dominion made clear the space surrounding the Wormhole in the Gamma Quadrant was theirs, that should've been the end of anyone from the Alpha Quadrant using the Wormhole. The only problem here is that the Dominion should've said something before the New Bajor colony was settled.
     
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  20. Oddish

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    A reasonable power would have given the NB colonists a reasonable period to evacuate. But if the Borg was the closest thing to pure evil ever encountered, the Dominion was not far off.
     
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