I thought Hal's Parallax story was yikes in retrospect (wasn't reading comics when it all went down) but I liked him as the Spectre and the redemption he brought. Barry's death should have never been undone.
My 11 year old daughter, who cares little for super hero comics (loves DC Super Hero girls, though, but that's mostly because it is in the vein of My Little Ponies Friendship is Magic), CANNOT WAIT for Super Pets. Her friends cannot wait for Super Pets. You are not the target demographic. The target demo is VERY AWARE of the films existence.
And the "target demographic" (i.e., children) deserves some superhero love. Properly speaking, these characters should belong at least as much to them as to us -- more, if I'm being honest. Which makes the idea of resenting the movie for not being a Man of Steel sequel even sillier.
I can't like this enough. Too many making these books, shows and movies have lost touch with this idea, thinking that because they grew up, their childhood heroes MUST grow up with them. Leaving behind a gap where they should be for the next generation of fans we desperately need.
If comic book creators did not begin the maturation process in the 60s (and still operated like the worst of the late Golden Age), the superhero comic would have died in that decade. Readers of that period wanted the characters to be portrayed as adult as much as the creators did.
Sure, but that doesn't mean that they can't still make comics for kids. Both DC and Marvel have their own line of all age and YA comics, and they've been coexisiting perfectly fine with the comics for older readers. Miles Morales has become a pretty big deal, and I've been seeing him in almost as much merchandise as Peter ever since Into the Spider-Verse, which was a huge hit by the way, came out. As for League of Super Pets, I've been seeing tons of ads for it all over the place, the trailer has played in front of several of the movies I've seen, the posters were in the theater, and they have a collection of Super Pets artwork in a color by numbers app that I use. I'm pretty sure at this point, the most people are at least aware of it's existence. What's so offensive about it? I think it looks like fun and I'm looking forward to it. I am a little disappointed they seem to be mostly using their own characters, besides Krypto and Ace, rather than the Justice Leauge members' pets from the comics, but that's a pretty minor issue for me.
I'm totally for making superhero stuff for kids. As long as people don't try to say that superhero stuff is only for kids or should only be made with that demographic in mind, I think there should be stuff for everyone. I have no interest in watching Superpets, but I hope its a good movie that its demographic really enjoys.
No one said there should not be certain comics aimed at young children. The point is that the main superhero lines moving into more mature territory was something readers and certain creators wanted, which was not going to feature childish stories about Batman blushing at the attention paid to him by Batwoman, the 60,000,000,000 times Mr. Mxyzptlk played pranks on Superman (or Bat-Mte against Batman), or Lois trying to trap Superman into marriage every other issue..
Comics used to sell by the millions now they sell thousands. Meanwhile 'One Piece', which is for children, is the best selling comic of all time, selling hundred of millions of copies and making its creator very, very rich.
Everything I can find says that One Piece's primary audience in japan is over the age of 10, and a higher percentage of the audience is 18+ then is 10-17. Part of that is people who have grown up reading One Piece, that's how long its been going, but to say in 2022 that One Piece is primarily for children isn't quite right. Its in Weeky Shonen Jump, which targets an audience of teenage boys theoretically, but with the numbers put out, from the company that publishes it, in 2019: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ne...-demographics-for-its-manga-magazines/.145991 So, over 50% of readers are 16 or older, not exactly the child demographic. And Weekly Shonen Jump had an average circulation of 1.7 million, which beat all the other books in that report, including the books for a younger demographic. One Piece can be a pretty intense shonen from what I've read, not like super violent but it has blood and death and mild cursing, I'd compare it to the manga equivalent of an average PG-13 movie content, although of course its not totally comparable. Japan is obviously a bit less caring about kids seeing more intense stuff then people in the US tend to be, but (for a DC comparison) the audience for DC's Superpets would almost certainly be too young for One Piece.
^^ there's this: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/61rzo6/an_age_demographic_survey_among_the_one_piece/ The author is quoted as saying it targets 15-year-old males. I guess we should clarify if talking about "children" who we mean as teenagers are children too but I don't think that's who this thread has been speaking about.
Yeah, I'd say 15 is a bit too old to be in the specific "child" demographic. Plus, obviously targeting for 15 year olds, which is just around the general Shonen age demographic from what I understand, has still lead to more of the audience being over 15 anyway. Regardless, One Piece is read and enjoyed by an audience that mostly are not children in Japan, and that audience is probably the biggest factor in its success publishing numbers wise, and in merchandise and related areas.
Depends on how they break it down. Sometimes it is just child and adult. But, the older I get the more I see teens as children.
Indeed. And wishing ill will on a film because it doesn't appeal to me would strike me as the height of selfishness. To put it another way I wanted a sequel to Batman: The Movie and I got this grim dark Burton crap!?! I hope Burton fails.
The decline of comics started when they were moved away from magazine racks in corner stores and into specialized games and hobbies places. Kids saw them at the checkout counter or at the local convenience store and could afford them at 15, 25, 35, 40, 50, 60, 75, and 90 cents over the years. They were the future generation of higher spending customers. When comics went into stores where kids generally didn't go (Satanic Panic in the 80s, or they were just intimidating and unwelcoming), sales initially skyrocketed but that only lasted about 10 to 15 years. They weren't getting the next generation of customers because it didn't exist. Kids I know today love Marvel because of the movies and not the comics. They don't know much about DC because they don't go and see those movies. If the Super-Pets movie wins over a new generation of kids to DC characters then that is great for future business.
I have the opposite experience: I have young relatives and know kids of many friends who know the DC content well, most have seen the DCEU movies, watched certain cartoons and a few of their parents have introduced them to comics of not only this era, but TPB collections of Silver/Bronze Age titles. Interest for children depends on influence; if a parent or older sibling brings comics and comic book media into their lives, they can develop an interest that is not limited to only knowing characters through a kid-oriented film, or films in general. Among decades of comic book TV and movies, most comic-based productions were not necessarily produced for children like a cartoon (e.g., movie serials were general audiences fare), yet the productions (with wildly varying levels of quality) still captured kids' attention. They did not need concepts like Super Pets to draw them in.