Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

  1. A+

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  2. A

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  3. A-

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  4. B+

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  5. B

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  6. B-

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  7. C+

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  8. C

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  10. D+

    0 vote(s)
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  11. D

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  13. F

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  1. Christopher

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    In theory, no; see Judi Dench as M in two James Bond continuities. Yet I see no reason why it shouldn't be the case here.
     
  2. Skywalker

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    My guess is they'll just have Murdock say something like "We have a history" when someone asks him about the Kingpin, without going into detail.
     
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  3. fireproof78

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    I will be curious to see. Cox and D'onofrio are one of the best parts of the MCU.
     
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  4. kirk55555

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    Well, it solidified that Charlie Cox plays Daredevil in the MCU, and Hawkeye confirmed D'onofrio as Kingpin. But if the MCU wants to, for example, jettison some of the stuff from the later DD seasons (the MCU needs better versions of Elektra and Bullseye then the shitty versions the Netflix show had), they could do that easily. The MCU Daredevil show will also almost certainly be PG-13, but the vast majority of Daredevil media has been the equivalent of that rating or lower so it probably won't be a problem. Hopefully he also keeps his damn costume, and doesn't just keep throwing it away/quit being DD in general. That got really old (although not quite on the level of Oliver Queen "quitting" being a hero on Arrow).

    Also, if we see Luke Cage or Jessica Jones again I'm fine with the same actors, but the characters better get a power boost to better match their comic versions, kind of like Kingpin has gotten. Jessica especially, she doesn't need to fly but in the comics Jessica Jones can lift and toss a car at least a short distance, while I don't even remember if she had any form of super strength in her show, if she did it was barely noticeable (at least in the first season, I didn't bother with the second).
     
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    Jessica Jones superpowers in season 1
     
  6. kirk55555

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    I skimmed that video, and that fight with the other woman in a room was pathetic when it comes to what Jessica should be able to do, in the comics Jessica could have thrown her through a wall. Same with her struggling to beat two random guys. So, yeah, if the character shows back up hopefully she'll have a bit more power, the Netflix one seems to just be slightly stronger then you'd expect of someone her size/stature. I guess that is just strong enough to count as a bit abnormal, but its a pretty lame example of "super strength".
     
  7. EnderAKH

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    She literally held up the back end of a car. Trying to drive away. With one hand. She punched a woman in the chest so hard she flew across the room and died. Yeah, she probably pulls her punches when fighting people.
     
  8. kirk55555

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    Well then she seems to really hold back even when the situation doesn't call for it, like in that scene where two random goons are basically kicking her butt, or at bare minimum were doing a good job of stopping her from doing whatever she was trying to do. :vulcan:

    Seriously, I know its a mediocre TV show but they obviously powered up or weakened her depending on what they wanted in the scene, to a ridiculously noticeable extent, and even at the strongest you describe she's still a lot weaker then the comic version.

    To be clear, her lame powers are only a small problem in a very shitty show, I'd have less of an issue if I didn't hate almost everyone on the show and if the writing wasn't dreadful (and that was season 1, I've seen people online that liked season 1 dislike season 2). I was literally just watching the show for David Tennant after the first few episodes. Jessica isn't even very good in her own show, but the actress is decent and she was pretty good when interacting with the other leads in The Defenders (which was an overall "meh" show but the Matt/Jessica/Luke interactions were actually pretty great in it).
     
  9. Mage

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    Well, not 100%. It confirms that in the MCU both those characters look exactly like their multiverse versions of the Netflix shows. And probably went through almost exactly the same things. But some things could be different here.
    Remember, the multiverse concept sofar has established that other universe's counterparts can look exactly alike (dr Strange for example) or different (Peter Parker, Loki). Sure, the real life reason is because of casting and the cool factor of either different Spidermen and Loki's or the cool factor of 'wow, he looks JUST like our Dr Strange but acts like an asshole'. Ok, all Dr Strange's are assholes it seems, but anyway..... ;)

    It could very simply mean that the new Disney show isn't an exact continuation of the Netflix show. It could simply mean that we find our this is a slightly different Mat Murdock. Maybe this one never met Karin. Who knows.
    Or yes, maybe we'll find out that the shows WERE 100% MCU. We'll learn more in the following months.
     
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  10. dupersuper

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    That'd be fine. As much as I'd love love love for them to mine the Netflix and other pre Disney+ MCU shows, I'll settle for them just not flushing them down the toilet.
     
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  11. Christopher

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    I think that if they wanted to decanonize the TV shows, they'd cast different actors to make it unambiguous. The fact that they've used the same actors in multiple cases implies to me that they intend to treat the TV shows as essentially canonical, even if they don't directly reference their storylines. Although they might approach them like Star Wars approaches its "canonical" tie-in books and comics, using the broad strokes and drawing freely on their ideas and characters while still overwriting some of the specifics when they want to tell a different story.

    Anyway, my policy with tie-ins and the like has generally been to default to accepting them as part of the canonical continuity unless and until there's an overt inconsistency ruling it out.
     
  12. Anwar

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    Keep in mind that the Netflix shows were pretty low budget, mainly because of Jeph Loeb's skinflint ways (probably Perlmutter's orders). With proper Disney + money, we'll get more actual superhero stuff in these continuations.
     
  13. Turtletrekker

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    Well, this is a new one to me. Do you remember back in agents of s.h.i.e.l.d. season 3, when Simmons was transported to another world and hooked up with a lost astronaut out there? Apparently, the character was supposed to continue on, but the actor was let go do to on-set behavior.

    I wonder how that would have played out? If the original intention with Brett Dalton was to just leave Ward forgotten on that alien planet? And then the person they hired to play Hive gets fired and Dalton gets a reprieve?

    https://www.thestar.com/entertainme...&utm_content=TvStarDillonCaseyOpioidAddiction
     
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  14. The Nth Doctor

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    Wow, that is shocking. I'm sorry Dillon Casey has been suffering in that manner but I had no idea.

    As for how that effects Agents, I'm also surprised how that apparently changed the original plan. As tired as I was of Ward at that point, it makes a lot of sense for Hive to take the face of Ward to taunt Coulson and company. I honestly never cared about the astronaut and never saw him as anything more than a wedge in between Simmons and Fitz.
     
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  15. Reverend

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    Yeah, I didn't see that coming. Respect to the show runners for both dealing with the problem rather than letting it fester, and for seamlessly pivoting the plot around it on such relative short notice.

    In a weird way we already knew this was a thing AoS's execs were apt to do, but for the opposite reasons; IIRC both Trip and Deke were intended to be killed off at the end of their respective arcs, but were kept on longer because they did such a good job and got on so well with the rest of the cast and crew. In the case of Deke he became a full blown cast member and made it all the way to the finale, though I get the feeling with Trip that they struggled to find anything substantial for him to do, and so gave him a heroic death after all.

    And yeah, of course this applies to Ward too. He could have easily been forgotten about after season 1 if the actor was less than stellar to work with, but they clearly enjoyed having him in the mix and he kept nailing every acting challenge that came with the characters many twists and turns.
     
  16. StCoop

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    She-Hulk now has the second-most watched trailer for all the Disney+ MCU shows. Hopefully not just from people telling their friends, "You won't believe how bad the CGI looks."
     
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  17. The Nth Doctor

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    The CGI is not that bad. :rolleyes:
     
  18. crookeddy

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    People get crazy about cgi though...
     
  19. Saul

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    That's great but I'm honestly surprised a new MCU character would get so much attention compared to an established one.

    I wonder if it has anything to do with the frame rate people watch these things in.
     
  20. Reverend

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    It's not terrible, but you can definitely see some uncanny valley, and it's made worse because it's right next to a near flawless Bruce and Abomination.

    I suspect the root of the problem is that while the Hulk effect is a 100% performance capture digital replacement, it looks as though the She-Hulk effect is instead at least partly a deep-fake process. Despite what people think, that process has it's limits and needs a lot of tweaking just to get it looking halfway passable even under ideal conditions. Even they hybrid process they developed for Book of Boba Fett has certain limitations on the kinds of shots it can and can't pull off. The reason that looked so damned flawless is precisely because they very carefully designed the shots around said limitations. For example, it can't handle hard lighting very well, so they made sure the character stayed out of direct sunlight and in the shade (which worked doubly well for them since Stagecraft can't exactly do natural looking hard light either.)
    So yeah, in some shots it does give off a slight "Will Smith as the Genie" vibes.

    Side note: there's been some rumblings from some of the VFX people and it seems as though there's been some executive level meddling. Apparently she was originally proportioned much closer to her comic appearance, and they kept getting notes to make her smaller and smaller.
    So it could just be that what we're seeing is way more ropey than it should be at this stage because they kept having to go back and redo shots.