Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - Pike series and novel continuity

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  1. Jinn

    Jinn Mistress of the Chaotic Energies Rear Admiral

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    In our Enterprise-era RPG (which is rapidly approaching the "early Federation"-era) we decided to make a fictional "Federation year", which was averaged out from the lengths of years of the four founding members, with a Kelvin-style stardate system based on that calendar.
     
  2. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Earth started the Federation, my dudes:cool:
    2022.132 is today's stardate.
     
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  3. Christopher

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    Absolutely. We tie-in writers are just a cover band. They're the actual band.
     
  4. The Wormhole

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    By my math it should be 2022.135. Or is today's date actually May 12th where you live? It's May 15th where I live, anyway.
     
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  5. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Google lied to me.
     
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  6. Avro Arrow

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    The TOS/TNG stardates were always supposed to be a strict numerical value. Kelvin stardates bug me because, while they look like a numerical value, they are clearly not.
    • x.1, x.10 and x.100 are all different values
    • OTOH, x.01 and x.1 are apparently the same value
    • x.99 is less than x.100
    I know that if you think of it as just an alternative format for writing an Earth date, like 2022.05.15, then these aren't really issues. But it looks like a number (unlike the current date example from the last sentence), so you sort of expect it to behave like one.

    One of the ancient systems I used to have to work on would output its log dates in Julian format, but it always included all three digits after the decimal (yyyy.ddd -- Jan 1 this year would be 2022.001), so it at least behaved similar to how you would expect. Too bad the Kelvin stardates didn't follow the same format.
     
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  7. JonnyQuest037

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    I just checked the transcript of "What Are Little Girls Made Of?", and Kirk never says that Chapel specifically joined Starfleet in the hopes of finding Roger Korby. What he says is:
    This doesn't seem like definite proof she joined Starfleet to find Roger to me, as you can easily pursue a career in bio-research in Starfleet. And honestly, it makes much more sense for Christine Chapel to be assigned to the Enterprise if she was already in Starfleet. She may have just been assigned to a planet side posting, a Starbase, or even Starfleet Headquarters on Earth. There are lots of career paths.

    And, since Roger Korby is wearing a "Cage" era Starfleet uniform in his file photo from five years before "WALGMO?", it seems logical to assume that he was in Starfleet at some point as well. Later in the episode, Chapel says to Korby, "When I sat in your class, you wouldn't even dream of harming an insect or an animal," so I figure they met either when Chapel was Korby's student at Starfleet Academy or perhaps when she was his teaching assistant.
    This bears repeating. The people working on ST shows create the product. We, as much as we might wish otherwise sometimes, are the consumers of the product. We don't get a vote, no matter how loudly we might complain on some corners on the internet.
     
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  8. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Now-now, for some of us, you're the opening act and definitely touring WITH the headliners.
     
  9. James Swallow

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    :wtf: Unless this is referring to writing novelizations, no. With all due respect to cover bands, tie-in writers do a lot more than just playing the same tunes with a bit of a twist. If anything, we're the support act...
     
  10. Christopher

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    That's flattering, but it's not the objective reality. To change metaphors, if the TV showrunners and staffs are board members of the company, we're just outside contractors hired on a job-by-job basis. No matter how much you may like what we do with their property, it's still their property, and we're working on their behalf and at their indulgence, following their lead. We're here to support them, not compete against them.

    The point Sci was making is that the shows' staffs do not have to "earn" any "privilege" to run the shows -- they already earned it by passing the interviews for the job. They don't deserve to be undervalued just because the readers are less familiar with them. I am not comfortable with being complimented at someone else's expense.
     
  11. Leto_II

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    ^ On another discussion-board I frequent, one poster in particular is a bit of a "TV snob," and recently was slagging off a certain Picard writer/producer (Cindy Appel, I think it was) simply due to her not having many or any "prestige TV" writing-credits, only network ones (like Desperate Housewives, etc.). From his viewpoint, in this new era, if you haven't written for at least one high-toned HBO series or whatever during your career, you shouldn't get to supervise the current premium incarnations of Star Trek.

    It was, like...give me a freaking break with the condescending gatekeeping, already.
     
  12. captainmkb

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    a ton of people wore that, what seemed to be a standard space tunic at the time.

    also, they gave a uniform to Capt. Christopher. they gave KHAN a uniform.

    please.
     
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  13. dupersuper

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    Except Kirk...and Spock...and Geordi...and Bashir......and Torres...and Mayweather...and Trip...and Mariner...
     
  14. The Wormhole

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    Kirk, Geordi and Mariner had parents who served in Starfleet, meaning that particular requirement was waived. Spock also got waived since his father is a high level Federation ambassador. Trip and Mayweather never attended Starfleet Academy. Technically Bashir didn't either, he went to Starfleet Medical School. That leaves Torres as the one and only oddity, and well, it's not like she graduated anyway.
     
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  15. F. King Daniel

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    Her final test would have been to off one or both of her parents. Just one, graduate as an ensign. Both: Lieutenant.
     
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  16. The Wormhole

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    That's why Harry's never been promoted!
     
  17. Stevil2001

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    Geordi made up for it by losing a parent later on; he just deferred the requirement.

    The Academy accepts estrangements in lieu of death, so Spock and Bashir and Torres all got in, too.
     
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  18. Extrocomp

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    The latest Strange New Worlds episode makes it clear that
    Number One is a biological Illyrian rather than a human raised in the Illyrian colonies as claimed in Desperate Hours and The Enterprise War.
     
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  19. JD

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    Doesn't Number One's whole Illyrian backstory come from one of the books?
     
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  20. David cgc

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    The episode seems to be hedging on whether or not Illyrians are of human descent, though.
     
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