Spoilers Things you wish season 2 had answered.

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  1. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Admiral Admiral

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    What I wish we had:

    1. That Picard was a five-season show, this was the third season, and what we didn't see before that was the second season. Why does Rios want to rejoin Starfleet? How does he become Captain of the Stargazer? What's it like for Picard to be in a golem body? How is he perceived by others? I wish we saw the clearing of Jurati. I wish we saw what it is that makes Seven and Raffi fall in love. I'd have liked to have seen Raffi take Elnor under her wing. Soji and Jurati speaking up for Androids. What leads Picard to being appointed Chancellor of Starfleet Academy? How did Zhaban die and why? He seemed perfectly healthy in the first season. It feels like there was a whole season we skipped over, so PIC could be a three-season show.

    2. A better story for Q. If we're following up on "All Good Things", this didn't measure up to that.

    3. I wanted to see more of The Watchers, more of the Supervisors, and more of everything that we would've seen in an Assignment: Earth series. This was a second chance to show off how that would be as a TV series. They did some of it, I would've liked to have seen more.

    4. Related to #3. Isis. No, not that ISIS. Isis the Cat from "Assignment: Earth" (TOS). ;)
     
  2. Mogh

    Mogh Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    ^ ALL of that.
     
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  3. Dr Helen Noel

    Dr Helen Noel Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I agree with this though Trekmovie seems to think that there could be more seasons:
    https://trekmovie.com/2022/01/29/st...s-talk-game-changing-season-3-and-whats-next/

    I do think we'll be seeing at least one spin-off (Seven/Raffi) but not so sure now if we won't be seeing further seasons too. Rios is the only character that was properly written out of future seasons (though even that could be changed) and they even brought Elnor back for no apparent reason. PatStew did say before that he didn't want to put on a uniform or team up with the TNG crew but we're getting that now.

    Personally I wish that they had been more upfront about changing the crew after the second season. I know they dropped the season 3 teaser half through but it suggested that we were going to see both crews interacting which was pretty exciting. The actors having to announce that they won't be in season 3 kind of felt like realising that someone had ripped out the last 30 pages or so from the book you're reading. Their plot lines don't feel completely resolved, especially Juratti's and the borg cooperative.
     
  4. MrPicard

    MrPicard Jean-Luc's Loving Husband Fleet Captain

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    Sir Patrick first said that he’d think about returning for a 4th season but now he has said that season 3 has the perfect ending. Goldsman has said that a fourth season is up to Sir Patrick and if he wants to do it. So, my guess is that the show will wrap up the JLP arc it has but will also leave the door open for more stories at the same time, in whichever way. Just in case. ;)
     
  5. Jedi Marso

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    This essentially saved me from an unnecessarily long post which would have said essentially the same thing, but not so succinctly. QFT and thank you!
     
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  6. Lord Garth

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    I'm more inclined to think the first season of a PIC spin-off in the 25th Century would be different from what a fourth season of Picard itself would('ve) be(en).
     
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  7. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Still waiting on the cause of the highly suspicious Romulan Supernova over here.

    And what became of the XB's. Seven was the natural choice to lead after Hugh died, but... no.
     
  8. Danja

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    Just being Queen of the cube put Seven too close to the Collective for comfort.

    I can see why she passed on leading the cube.

    It might've been their one particular faction (I can't see the entire Collective suddenly laying down its arms and singing "Kumbaya").
     
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  9. STEPhon IT

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    It's unbelievable because from what I'd known from the character called Q, he didn't abandon people; he appeared to be an observer and there were lessons to be learned to whoever he was godfathering. The wretched "Q2" expressed at least a Q who hoped to show something different from his son and didn't abandon him. Again the whole notion of the Q having Civil Wars, fornicating by the touch of a finger, and death are all bad comedy and not using the Q character effectively for me; but "Death Wish", another horrible episode, presented the Q Continuum or Quinn could choose not to exist or whether it could choose not to exist.

    Dying never felt like something related to the Q; but it should've been explored, whether Q chose to die or was there something beyond the Q's existence? But these serials are not meant to have much substance, they're random moments to conclude events or an event. Not to care much for the ALL PARAMOUNT PLUS ACCESS "Q", who is not TNG "Q" but I thought there was a missed opportunity to explore Picard's mortality and what it means to him to be in his final days of existence. Could've been a nice send off when this inherent, clutter of a series end?

    My knowledge of Q, and the Continuum, it had a mission to observe and see if humanoids could reach their fullest potential, reaching to where one has never gone before.
     
  10. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Didn't Chabon or someone say they were allowed to live with the Synths on their world?
     
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  11. johnnybear

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    But I thought that Noonian was part of his surname as in Khan Noonian Singh! Unless the Noonian Singh is his first name like some other Asian surnames/first names! Noonian Soong I knew from the first time I saw TNG in 1988 that they had took that name from Space Seed. The Adam Soong character seemed very aggressive and sinister unlike the wizened, sleepy old man from Brothers or was that just his age?
    JB
     
  12. The Wormhole

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    No, Noonian is Noonian Soong's first name. The various Soongs we know of are as follows:
    Adam Soong (from season 2 of Picard)
    Arik Soong (from the Augments story arc on Enterprise)
    Noonian Soong (Data's creator, who appeared in TNG Brothers, Birthright and Inheritance)
    Alton Soong (from Picard's season 1 finale)
     
  13. johnnybear

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    I wonder why the writers included Noonian in the name of Data's creator to start with? I mean we know that it was also Khan's name and I ask why they thought it relevant back in 1987? Maybe they just liked it? :lol:
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  14. Mogh

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    Apparently Gene Roddenberry had an old war buddy called Kim Noonien Singh, and wanted to reconnect with him - so seeded his name in a couple of times to see if the latter would spot it and get in touch.

    Linking them together (Khan's name and Noonien Soong's ancestor) actually is one of the more sensible things Star Trek: Picard did actually explain.
     
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  15. thribs

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    The timeline mess is one. They made it sound like they were in the 2014 of the Confederation timeline and hence every other timeline occurrence in the past shows would t have happened, but in the final episode, they said they were not.
    It just made the Guinan thing very silly, plus they could have had more fun in the past connecting things from other stories. Silverman’s character for instance could have been a useful ally. Seven would have known about her from Voyager. No doubt Paris himself didnt regale the story to her.
     
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  16. TimeIsAPredator

    TimeIsAPredator Commodore Commodore

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    1. Definitely yes. It needed more 24th century

    2. Yes or at least make Q dying and why he is dying the plot and not just a flimsy motivation.

    Also I would like to see Picard come home from a tough day on the vineyard and hang his hat on the Seal Team Borg arm that has been sticking out his wall his whole life.
     
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  17. Fateor

    Fateor Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Was he? Or was the whole thing just Picard's finale test?
     
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  18. MrPicard

    MrPicard Jean-Luc's Loving Husband Fleet Captain

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    Q actually says he is moving on, dying is just the human version. And since the Q continuum has a history of “simplifying” things for humans so that they can grasp what’s going on, I very much doubt that Q is dying in the same way humans understand it. And he also says “as I leave…”. It all sounds like as if he’s going somewhere else. Not like as if he’s actually walking into oblivion. More like another plane of existence that humans (and maybe even the Q) can’t comprehend just yet. Who knows. The universe works in mysterious ways - I actually like it that they left so much of what’s going on with Q in the dark. I don’t need for it to be explained in every detail because it means I can still write my “Q is dying because he’s in love with a mortal being” fic. ;)
     
  19. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Genuinely never questioned Q dying. Perhaps because the cast is now old (I'm getting there myself) and it's all becoming quite inevitable IRL.

    Maybe Q had a grand off-screen adventure. Maybe the Romulan Supernova was a Q weapon and he was shot. As for his family not being around, he was quite good at alienating people.
     
  20. thribs

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