Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x10 - "Farewell"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, May 4, 2022.

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  1. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Perhaps Rios recognized the importance Teresa and Ricardo would have in the decades to come, and felt that it would be irresponsible to remove them from history.
     
  2. Sci

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    No reason Teresa couldn't go back to medical school to get updated on the current state of the art and then resume her career as a doctor.

    Ricardo would go to school and then decide on a career like anyone.

    Rios, I would see him leaving Starfleet to run a clinic with Teresa.... possibly outside of Federation space. Vashti still needs help.
     
  3. gweeps

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    Perhaps.

    Do you think maybe they forgot to take the tech he gathered up? I don't recall seeing anybody with a bag when they went outside and met Q.
     
  4. Llywela

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    At that point, hadn't Q already said that he had just enough power to get the four of them back to the future? Taking Teresa and Ricardo wouldn't have been an option. The decision to stay came after the gang had already resigned themselves to staying in the past permanently, and since Teresa and Ricardo had returned to the chateau with him, and he suggested that Seven and Raffi join them in LA, we can presume he'd already told them that and they were already planning a life together. Which makes it less of a spur of the moment decision than it first seems.

    It still sucks, though, and is a rubbish way to write the character out of the show.
     
  5. gweeps

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    Good call. I forgot she was a doctor.
     
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  6. Sci

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    Yeah, that would probably have to be it. Would have been nice if there had been a scene like, "Admiral... I finally know where I've heard Ricardo's name before. Look it up when you get back. But I know how important he's going to become to history -- and that makes Teresa important to history too. I can't leave them."
     
  7. gweeps

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    He didn't say it explicitly. But, apparently, the only reason Elnor was resurrected by Q is because Rios decided to stay, which seemed to surprise Q, who said maybe he'd have surplus energy now for a "surprise" or "gift".
     
  8. Oddish

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    Considering the number of people who died, and were therefore removed from the timeline, not to mention the body of an alien found at the space center, I think that the addition of one more human and some broken tech is almost inconsequential. This wasn't butterflies, it was a flight of condors.

    I thought that it showed a nice bit of closure for the character, myself.

    As for immigration issues, I will table that discussion until it can be continued in the proper forum.
     
  9. fireproof78

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    Unless she felt compelled to stay out of sense of duty and not abandoning her community and Rios felt like he couldn't leave her.
     
  10. gweeps

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    I like to think they buried Tallinn's body on the chateau grounds. Or, I suppose, The Traveller took care of it.
     
  11. XCV330

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    In The Ready Room, I think it was Akiva Goldsman who said there was something of a fight over Wes, the first argument among the new shows ever for a character as other shows also wanted him. I suspect that might have been Lower Decks and Prodigy.

    Since we apparently have the power to diagnose complicated psychological problems with scant observations, I trust our newly granted superpowers to say he seems to be doing a lot better than you.
     
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  12. johnjm22

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    I read his blog regularly where he's talked about his issues. I'm a fan of his. Him coming out and talking about his issues is one the reasons I finally made the choice to get help myself.

    TBH, I'm kind of sickened by this accusation you've made against me. "Attacking? Shaming?" What are you talking about? Perhaps you misread something I said?
     
  13. TedShatner10

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    Most of the fatalities being directly or indirectly attributed to the Borg Queen (including that platoon of mercs she turned into meat puppets) may have minimised ripples in the space-time continuum.

    I think her agency perhaps cleans up after fallen assets so to speak (her corpse teleports back to her apartment).
     
  14. Charles Phipps

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    I'm going to say LOKI: THE SERIES rules.

    Since 1/3rd of humanity will die in 3 years, none of the fatalities here matter.

    Or that WOULD be my argument if not for the fact Picard established that it was always predestined anyway.
     
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  15. Ray Hardgrit

    Ray Hardgrit Commodore Commodore

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    Yeah, the bullet holes were always there, for Admiral Picard anyway. We never learn if they were there for General Picard.
     
  16. Sci

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    As others have said, I'm pretty sure that this was a predestination paradox. And even if it weren't, given that literally two billion people are scheduled to die pretty soon, it's unlikely that killing those folks would have a huge impact on history.

    Also I'm pretty sure Picard would have transported Tallinn's body back to Chateaux Picard for burial.

    Fair point, but I'd still get the hell out of Los Angeles in about thirty years if I were Rios.
     
  17. fireproof78

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    I would have a long time ago.
     
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  18. EJD1984

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    I suspect that Qs final act of kindness has more to it aside from resurrecting Elnor, and we'll see what that was in Season 3.
     
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  19. gweeps

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    I was thinking this as well.
     
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  20. JoaquinSlowly

    JoaquinSlowly Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    The bullet holes hinted it was a predestination paradox/closed time loop situation, and Guinan confirmed it when she says the picture of Rios was already there, and she kept knowledge of their adventure in 2024 from Picard in the season premiere.

    All the deaths, and Rios staying, weren’t butterflies at all, they were predestined/always meant to happen.
     
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