TNG's "homage" to Star Trek III?
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Dang, wish I had seen this thread yesterday! 
A lot of the homage was so subtle that it went over my head; how well they obfuscated the source and innovated/reimagined it and made it feel original, their own, and with authenticity. I say that as a big flabby fan of both ST3 and 11001001.
A lot of the homage was so subtle that it went over my head; how well they obfuscated the source and innovated/reimagined it and made it feel original, their own, and with authenticity. I say that as a big flabby fan of both ST3 and 11001001.
You've piqued my curiosity, why do you whish you'd seen this yesterday?Dang, wish I had seen this thread yesterday!
Thanks for sharing this. I never noticed any of it before, but I love this kind of thing. Especially learning about stuff like the reversed registry in the docking bay shot. So cool.
You're welcome. The youtube channel that posted this has several other similar videos you might find interesting. Here's a link to the channel page:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8pW2pbJkrGp7Rj3sAkq4JA
I made a post with that same video in the VIDEO thread, freshly-hyper after seeing the same video in my YouTube feed and that was a scant few hours after you made your post here.
I remember reading that vaguely; though the blu-ray hadn't altered it either.
(And yet they wasted all that time with "The Neutral Zone" to replace that zany family tree... 
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I remember reading that vaguely; though the blu-ray hadn't altered it either.
I think you’re talking about the Hartnell-McCoy list? Damn if that should have been left alone. It was hurting no one and nothing.
I made a post with that same video in the VIDEO thread, freshly-hyper after seeing the same video in my YouTube feed and that was a scant few hours after you made your post here.
I didn't realize there was a specific thread for videos! I'll know to post any further videos of interest there.
oh, I'm not criticizing at all (on the contrary, glad you had posted it in TNG - it's the perfect place!) I've posted videos in the forum rooms of their own accord, too. Lots of people do. Gives added exposure to what's often good stuff.
Yup. They should have kept it in, or if nothing else fix it up with the replacement but keep the original as a deleted scene in the blu-ray release.
The adventurous "before":
The "boring "after":
Dang, the blu-ray really brings out how knackered that prop was by even the end of season one...
I loved this video, even if I don't agree that everything the author points to as being an homage to ST III is really an homage to ST III. That being said, the part of the video with the Spacedock/Starbase approach really fascinated me. I had always believed it was an unaltered reuse from ST III, but no, its apparently an alternate effects shot. An alternate effects shot that might not have featured the matte of the planet (Earth) and moon from ST III, so a new one had to be added or the one from the film had to be adjusted and reinserted, somewhat out of sync to how it was in ST III.
I noticed how similar it was because I was 12 y/o and noticed little details in a way I wouldn't now. At that age I wondered about all the possibilities as to why the Enterprise would have changed so much in 76 years but the docking procedure was so similar.
But when I watched it when I was older, I assumed they just reused effects.
This video points out so many similarities. They either re-used many themes out of lack of creativity, or maybe they were doing an homage or trying to ease TOS movie viewers into TNG. That's important because with every new Trek series, people write in the fanzines, BBSs, or wherever that the new series isn't real Trek.
But when I watched it when I was older, I assumed they just reused effects.
This video points out so many similarities. They either re-used many themes out of lack of creativity, or maybe they were doing an homage or trying to ease TOS movie viewers into TNG. That's important because with every new Trek series, people write in the fanzines, BBSs, or wherever that the new series isn't real Trek.
I think there's just a sense that they were trying to replicate the appearance of the same place from one generation of the show to the next. As you say, a bit of visual continuity between TOS Movies and TNG. I think it's interesting that clearly they didn't lift a lot of the FX work. Shots are recreated and arguably improved. Then there's the way that they reversed the shot of the Enterprise in the Spacedock interior because they knew it would look too much like the same shot in TSFS.
Also, I guess that means that kind of Spacedock must see service for centuries? Why not I suppose. If you make something that resource intensive then you want it to last.
Plus, it is a very cool Spacedock. I'm glad that design showed up again. When I was a kid I called it the Mushroom Base.
I think it's really interesting and too close to the knuckle not to be deliberate and it's really cool as well. Whether or not it had the intended effect of comforting and soothing TNG's contemporary angry hate watchers in the 1980s to 1990s, I am unable to say.
The only problem is the difference in size between the Constitution and Galaxy classes, which means that there must be two designs of spacedock which are absolutely identical but built to different scales.
As I said nine years ago:
It's a shame they couldn't just show an enlarged door. That would have solved all the problems.
Original:
and then enlarged:
But if we just kinda... put the size comparison chart away for a sec... it's a fantastic repurpose of the STIII shots and looks breathtaking
I made these a while back but why not share them again.
Reality bites.
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