Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x07 - "Monsters"

Careful, Owen Wilson is going to want some of his "wows" back.

 

I really think the haters are in the minority, with the loudest voices as per usual. I guess, for me, I'm just not a huge fan of how much serialized TV there is now.

But I've always preferred short stories to novels, another minority opinion.

 

You freakasaurus

 

I appreciate a good novel, just think there's more artistry in short stories/novellas if they're done well. The perfect novel length is somewhere between 350-450 pages. And TV series start to show their cracks by Season 5. Etc. etc. etc.

Btw nice Rain Robinson reference.

 

Now if only the FBI agent in 10 Forward was played by David Duchovny, Gillian Anderson, Annabeth Gish or Robert Patrick.....The truth is out there.

In the next episode will there be an interrogation scene where the FBI agent tells Picard "I'm going to lock you up for two hundred years" and Picard answers "that ought to be about right."

 

Why did they use 2 different boys when they both were about the same age? Not that I'm good at guessing ages in that range, but they both seem to be 12ish - perhaps one of them is Robert?

He's been waiting and saving it all... ...for you.

We need the return of Shatner as the PRIME-LINE NE-GO-SHI-AY-DAH! chopping all alternate Trek to bits.

Pleasant dream endorphins attract parasitic infections, nightmare endorphins repel them.

 

Depending how society falls apart before the Red rockets fly in 2053... What happens to the prison industrial complex when the government stops paying the guards?

1. No one opens the cells. All the guards go, and all the prisoners die of dehydration and starvation even if they can stay that by drinking each others pee for a couple weeks.

2. No one opens the cells. The guards leave but the smartest criminals break out of the unmonitored cells, and then rampage on the surrounding countryside.

3. The guards open the cells. No prison sentence in America, even life sentences extend beyond 2025.

 

Oh I wish, believe me. I'd be with him IN AN INSTANT if he wanted me, no questions asked (especially not about his feelings, I'd be way too afraid that he asks me about mine in return, lol). I mean broken/tormented people that have been through traumatic hell when they were young HAVE been known to heal each other because they understand each other without words. Ugh I sound like one of those romance novel authors

 

"Consistently" is not a virtue in and of itself, and matters a great deal more with McDonald's burgers than with narrative. It's true that current Trek manages a consistency - since the beginning of STD it's risen from usually badly written with occasional heights of competence to consistently mediocre with random dips into laughable.

The original series was wildly uneven, with very bad episodes and a handful of truly brilliant stories that nothing since have quite achieved. If every series since then vanished, the virtues of the franchise as TV storytelling would be halved at worst.

 

I do think that's a good explanation of Raffi's mental and emotional state, however with the majority of that relationship between her and Elnor happening off screen it does feel weird that she cares that much. I do think both actors did a lot to try to inject a deeper bond in "The Star Gazer" to try to sell it though.

As for Picard, I think you're talking more about TNG Picard than ST: PIC Picard. PIC Picard is much more regretful, mournful, and I don't see him as driven to get him back. If anything it should be Picard wracked by guilt that he failed Elnor once again, while Raffi would be more driven to bring him back. In season 1 we saw aspects of that driven nature, her putting her career over her family and then her going the conspiracy theory route (which ultimately turned out to be true). Even her drug abuse IMO stems from that kind of compulsiveness. Raffi has a kind of obsessive personality that fixates on things, so I could see her actually being more focused than Admiral Picard on restoring the proper future. While Picard still is determined, he doesn't have the same drive IMO and definitely not the same energy as he once did. It's Jean-Luc who should be having the hallucinations.

 

Isn't that "TIME TRAX"?

 

Yes, they are both very good shows, and the same show, that I have both rewatched recently.

Home made VHS rips can be found of Time Trax in the usual places.

Lets compare for the cheap seats.

 

It slammed on the brakes of a lot of plot wheels currently spinning to go back to psychobabbledrama that I was never interested in.

 

Hmmm... just watched this weeks episode. I've loved this series to date, but this episode really felt like a filler. The childhood trauma thing just really felt forced and frankly needless to the plot (To my knowledge Picard hasn't really shown signs of being affected by his past in previous episodes of Star Trek, other than looking understandably taken aback when his Maman showed up in Where No One Has Gone Before), Tallinn being an ancestor of Laris feels like a massive coincidence and the magic bottle thing was a bit silly as well. (Have we had an on-screen reason as to why Guinan doesn't recognise Picard, despite the events of Times Arrow?)

But that was the negatives. As for the positives, James Callis was excellent and I loved the ending when Jay Karnes showed up - It would be a fantastic twist if that's the same character as the one he played in Relativity!

To be honest, they could have saved themselves a few dollars by not making this episode and tacking the cliff-hanger on the end of last weeks episode and we would barely have noticed the difference.

 

I have a friend who even now is insisting that the character played by that Callis guy is actually supposed to be Doctor Bashir.

 

I've seen Terry Matalas answering someone's question about this with "because Dr. Bashir isn't Picard's father". His tweet sounded a little exasperated, and I honestly can't blame him. It's one thing when people get confused at first, but a LOT of hate-watchers are deliberately refusing to understand what's going on and are insisting on their "alternative Trek facts" because they fit into their narrative of "this show is ruining Star Trek".

 

Wow, this has to be the most evenly spread out Picard ep poll yet. The episode's getting the full range of opinions.

 

Yup, can confirm, my Sir Patrick sources say the same, they reflect the opinions on this board. Some say the episode was atrocious, others love it, and some say it's one of those episodes that need to be watched within the context of the whole season. (The usual suspects are up in arms against it, of course, but then, they are ALWAYS up in arms, no matter what the show does. lol)

 

I had that conversation, and then it went a step further.

"Baltar is white."

"What do you mean Baltar is white?"

"I mean Bashir is not white."

"What do you mean Bashir is not white?"

 

i have no idea on why would he be bashir.