Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"

With the appearance at the end of this episode of Penelope Mitchell's Renee Picard outside the Jackson Roykirk Plaza NASA/Europa Mission facility in that Europa Mission shirt, reading the Dixon Hill novel The Pallid Son, the object of Q's would-be shenanigans, it made me think of the super quick flash of an image of an astronaut from the final January 21st trailer, right between the 18 and 19 second marks.


Could this be Renee on the Europa Mission?

 

wow. Ep 4 S2- Jackson Roykirk Plaza, Trace Torme as the author- Q's "snap" not working-so many eggs!

 

Wow, this thread was quite a ride. The episode only dropped in the UK less than an hour ago and you guys are at 45 pages already!

I'm enjoying the season, and I enjoyed this episode. Plenty of people have been complaining that the show needs more 'filler' to flesh out the characters and give them some breathing space - well, the misadventures of Cris Rios and the hijinks of Raffi and Seven on his trail are giving us just that, as well as telling a 100% Star Trek story about shining light into dark places and holding out the possibility of a better future, if we could only choose to change.

 

Speaking of Roykirk, according to a reference book, he'll die in October of 2022. so im just like Bye Jack. been nice knowing ya.

 

Let's get this straight. Law enforcement in the United States is inherently racist and fascist because it's origins lie in slave catchers and strike breaking Pinkertons from the mid-19th century.

It cannot be reformed or improved, only broken down and something new built.

 

I think humanizing villains - particularly low level ones who are part of real-world institutions - is important in stories that engage in social criticism. Otherwise people might get the mistaken idea it's "bad guys" which are the problem, rather than bad systems, and you just need to replace the "bad guys" with "good guys."

 

Ukraine is being actively invaded by Russia, it's an active war zone.

Guatamala's problem is directly linked to the illegal/illicit Narcotic problem in Central & South America along with using illegal border crossing as a method of drug smuggling.

According to your own link:

One the MAJOR long standing problems is the flow of illegal narcotics from Central/South America into the US.

A giant chunk of that comes from the border by illegal entry and has caused the outflow of illegal migration.

You need to stop the flow of illegal narcotics destablizing the USA first.
Stabilize the local economies and get rid of the power / influence of the local drug cartels.

Countless Millions of people legally enter the US and get granted citizenship. That's disingenuous to say my story is "Atypical" when it has nothing to do with "Desirables" and more to do with combating the illicit narcotics going In/Out of a country illegally.

Yet you mention nothing of the "ROOT CAUSES" of the problem, you only talk about the symptoms.

 

Open borders is the solution to all this, as far as I'm concerned.

Just let everybody in.

That's how the majority of our ancestors got here. So fuck all this noise and fuck ICE.

 

Nobody in the modern Nation-State era supports Open Borders.

That creates more problems than it solves.

 

wait, so the US who used narcotics to destabilize numerous Central American countries has a problem with narcotics destabilizing them? well, maybe don't start an avalanche if you're on your way downhill, and certainly don't use it as an excuse for whatever fascist methods you currently imply.

 

then call me Nobody

 

I agree but I wasn't even looking at it that deep. I was looking it more from a storytelling perspective. The more well rounded you can make a character the better character you get. The more nuance you add to a story the more it actually makes the viewer actually think about what the writer is trying to say. If you can find something new to say about a issue it is even better. Anything that cuts through the clutter of all the stuff you have heard a million times on social media or even seen on other tv shows.

 

So, space ships, time travel, Borg, Q... but a few asshole cops? THAT'S unbelievable!

 

You're right. In fact more WWII movies should be more nuanced and see things from the Nazis' perspective.

 

Sorry, but nobody does that with a "character" who's on screen for only a couple of minutes. Did you ever complain about Cardassian prison camp guards or judges being one-note?

 

Schindler's List is told from the perspective of a guy who worked with the Nazi's and also has the story about Ralph Fiennes a Nazi character. Like I said it's not about making them look good. It's about making things realistic or authentic. I am all for shutting ICE down and arresting people who abuse their power but like I also said. Fiction follows different rules than real life.

 

I'm enjoying the season, too, and even this episode, although I thought it was the weakest so far. (I'm a bit concerne because the first one was the strongest and it's declined for me, so I hope it'll pick up again).

As for the bolded, I cannot speak for "people," but for me, "filler" and "slower/ character work/ breathing space" are not snonymous. The latter is great (and truth be told, if well written, I always prefer it to a more action-driven episode). "Filler" is when whatever is on the screen (could even be action stuff) does not land with me and seems like the writers are spinning their wheels.

nd I really need a new keyboard.

 

Which is why I say the season and this episode in particular has to much story crammed in it. To make this episode better you basically got rewrite the whole thing. Dump the Guinan stuff. Dump the car chase. Make room for more characters exploring and learning about 2024.

 

"Respectful debate" doesn't consist of unsupported generalizations and flatfooted assertions.

In fact many* people do support the idea.

Care to have another go?

*"Many" being defined as "more defensible a claim than "nobody."

 

Tongo Rad would agree.