When did the Janeway hatred truly start to coalesce?

Don't forget "Rascals" Picard. Go from 55 to 13 in 8.7 seconds... I don't think even the mythical Fountain of Youth works that fast!

 

I point back to two characters in this show: Harry and Chakotay during the events of Timeless. Now, perhaps I didn't linger by the water cooler long enough, but I do not recall either man receiving much guff for altering the timeline.

To me, the hind quotient is always negotiable.

 

One of my theories is that Old Harry killed the universe because he thought it wasn't fair that Tessa was sleeping with even older Chakotay.

If she'd just made out with him a little, whenever Chuckles was napping, Timeless never would have happened.

 

The present day versions of Harry and Chakotay had no interaction with their future selves other than the message Harry sent back in time.

I'm willing to say that future Harry and Chakotay were pretty irresponsible, but they only appear in a single episode.

 

It is now known that they have the capacity and will to destroy the universe and 30 years worth of time, for a "good" reason.

Anyone capable of omnitemperolcide, shouldn't really be allowed in Star Fleet.

 

Good point. As with Jake in "The Visitor," the younger versions that survive can't be held accountable for the selfish, timeline-erasing actions of their future selves. Janeway in "Endgame" is different, because she initially objects to her future self's actions but then randomly throws out her ethics and goes along with them anyway just so the writers can force a "happy" ending.

 

As far as I know, young senator McComb from 1994 in Time Cop wasn't actually a guilty party to any crime his older 2004 version committed. So strictly speaking, killing him (as happens in the movie) is probably unethical. But nobody's sorry for the ending he gets.

 

I have little memory of that movie, nor do I see how it's relevant to a discussion of Janeway or the other characters. Although it does remind me of Braxton's fate in "Relativity," getting prosecuted for a crime his future self committed, which always struck me as deeply unethical.

 

Precrime.

In Relativity, Braxton was guilty of crimes by his future self.

 

Was he actually punished? Or was he just relieved of duty so he would be unable to commit these crimes?

29th century temporal justice seems... slippery.

 

Ducane said "They'll all be reintegrated in time for the trial."

 

there was only very circumstantial evidence and I would question the appropriateness of trying someone for a crime they might have committed in an alternate timeline anyway.

 

Unconvicted of a precrime in Timeless, Kim breaks exactly the same law in Endgame TWICE. Old Kim helped Janeway jaunt back, and young Kim allowed Admiral Janeway to corrupt the time line.

The crew of the Pegasus started an armed mutiny rather than allow their Captain to start a war with the Romulans by breaking the treaty of Algernon.

 

With Vidiian medical technology augmenting Starfleet transporters working in tandem with xenoflora, Voyager could have had it made in the shade.

 

Who was the first in-universe Janeway hater?

This guy? ^​

or...

This gal? ^​

 

Off topic but Ive always found Cardassian Seska more attractive than Bajoran Seska.

 

Seska, I'd say. She was probably the only person on the ship who didn't drink the Janeway Kool-aid.

 

Well...yeah. There's a reason why Hackett's makeup didn't uglify her as much as other Cardassian actors.

 

I found my Janeway's Rules, Extended Edition...
1. Coffee, black. Lots of it.
2. Go down with the ship.
3. Keep your shirt tucked in.
4. Ma'am is acceptable in a crunch, but "captain" is preferable.
5. If the transporter creates a new lifeform, kill it.
6. Periodically remind the crew that you don't need a second person to set the autodestruct.
7. Find some poor dopey ensign who idolizes you and wreck his career by not promoting him.
8. Don't be afraid to delete the wife.
9. The temporal prime directive is really just a strongly worded suggestion.
10. NEVER leave a member of your crew behind.
11. Did we mention coffee?

 

You're giving Gibbs on NCIS a run for his money!


h/t to Oddish:



I can't see these going on a mug anytime soon.