Do you like the Discovery Klingon look?

That's what I meant by reinforced. Boney ridges are a defining characteristic. They applied that to other parts of the body.
Klingon ears were just the actors ears, when they could be seen. Often they were obscured by hair.
The nostrils seem to be an extrapolation the seam between the nose appliance and the actor's nose as seen in the TNG make up.
The DISCO redesign is more inline with TMP, than what came later.

 

I like the idea of “expanded” and “diverse,” but that implies that the new co-exists with the old, which season one doesn’t really suggest. I suspect they would have had an easier time getting fan buy-in if it had.

 

I’m only seeing three distinct Klingon types here (and taking into account more than just faces): the TOS Klingons, the TMP-and-after Klingons, and the DSC Klingons. The 12 examples shown here minus T’Kuvma are just nitpicking minimal differences between the two former types.

 

I don't see any reason to assume the old can't exist beside the new. To me they exist all together in broader strokes, even if the visuals don't hang together personally. The Klingons are more interesting because of Discovery and less interesting without it.

Mileage will vary.

 

It was an example of the different approaches to the make up
In TOS you have Kor and Kang with the heavy eyebrows and greasepaint. Kras who's just a human with weird facial hair and a combover. Koloth who's a human with a goatee. In the latter two they didn't even bother with the eyebrows. The rest of Koloth's crew had the same look. They didn't bother with the greasepaint either. With Kang I think they double downed on the greasepaint and eyebrows to make up for it.
TMP had the single vertebra type ridge that runs front to back and includes the nose. The hair seems to be only on the sides. And they have teeth appliances.
In the later movies they alter the ridges to be less like vertebrae and spread out across the forehead but have a elegance to them. They also ditch the nosepiece and teeth. By the time we get to TUC, we have Klingons like Chang and Azetbur with less prominent ridges. They're also quite well coiffed .
On TV, they bring back the nose piece and teeth and the ridges become more elaborate. Winding up with K'Pec who looks like he has a relief map of the Rocky Mountains glued to his forehead or Gowron who forehead looks like, well I'm not allowed to say in polite company. The hair also gets crazy. Hair metal crazy.
I covered DISCO in my response to Tosk.
Or at least that's my take.

 

I didn't like the DIS Klingons at first but I've grown to like them. I do agree with Bryan Fuller that TNG-style Klingons had become too familiar; they needed to be scarier for DIS's story of war to work. Even when I didn't like the new design, I appreciated seeing DIS being willing to experiment and take creative risks.

I have no problem with the use of Klingon dialogue and wish we saw that more often. These guys are aliens, and also we the audience are more than capable of reading subtitles.

I'm sorry, but no. Just no. Paragraphs and paragraphs of pointless exposition. This just kills any sense of dramatic tension.

If DIS had to explain it -- which it didn't; ST has completely changed the look of aliens without explanation multiple times -- then the explanation should have been this:

PERSON 1: "That's a Klingon?"

PERSON 2: "Certain Klingon Houses have been using genetic engineering for a hundred years now to breed better warriors, to compensate for the effects of the Augment virus."

That's it. If you have to explain it -- which you don't -- keep it short and snappy. The only reason exposition should be any longer than it absolutely has to be is if the exposition ties into characterization in some way.

Weird how no one ever says this about DS9 changing the look of the Trill with no explanation, or ENT changing the look of the Andorians and Tellarites (do they have cloven hands or not??) with no explanation, or TNG totally changing the look of the Romulans with no explanation, or....

 

I believe this illustrates my ongoing conclusion from repeated observation that modern Trek is expected to be expository rather than natural, and that character interaction should not feel like normal human interaction.

 

I really liked the Discovery version of the Klingons, looks-wise. My only gripe was when they spoke, they sounded like they had a mouth full of marbles.

 

"Ash Tyler" sounded the same when he spoke Klingon, so I wonder if it was more than the appliance.

 

I disagree that no one ever says any of those things.

 

High on the list of my hobbyhorses is how dumb it was to redesign the Romulans when the whole point of their first appearance was that they look like Vulcans. That’s also what makes them interesting.

I can moan about that more often, if you like.

 

True, Every new design has had detractors. There is a fan review of TMP where the author has some very familiar complaints about the Klingon revamp.

 

Sure, don't we all know these people who don't have earlobes, but webbed ears, and our friends with 4 nostrils, and our fellow co-workers with claws instead of fingers, and our celebrities with their banana xenomorph heads...

see above

 

Tie at 6-6-6 so far. Fascinating.

agreed, that was incredibly stupid. Especially as they only showed the bumpy ones but still had Spock roam around on Romulus. The Picard retcon was very welcome.

 

I prefer the Into Darkness Klingon costumes but like the Discovery look for the species better.

 

The complaints were out and loud in the lobby after the movie when I went to see TMP on the first day. The Klingons didn't look right, the movie was rehashed episodes, the uniforms looked like pajamas...

Same complaints with each of the different productions.

This has all happened before.

 

It was billed as a prequel to TOS. Prequels require an overarching structure more than sequels, or fandom will complain about canon.

I don’t claim that my idea is perfect. But when its been established by Spock that there has been 70 years of hostilities between the Federation and Klingons, and Picard states that first contact with Klingons led to decades of war and the catalyst of doing surveillance before first contact. And then we see Archer make first contact with the Klingons and no war breaks out (either Klingons/Starfleet or Klingon/Suliban), and then in DIS we see a radical redesign of the Klingons and their ships and Georgiou is says that no one has see Klingons in 100 years when they should had run ins for the past 30, why not try to address all of those loose threads?

And if DIS was willing to bring up Archer, it should have prepared a reasonable link between the two shows, like what @Tim Thomason suggested above. Instead of shallow ENT references.

 

I never needed an explanation for what was obviously just upgraded budgets and SFX technology. Personally I wouldn't have went for purple or bald but it's not a big deal.
The one real problem that goes beyond personal design choices is the lack of movement it gave. T'rell in particular moved like she had a bad neck injury

 

This is Star Trek, Fandom will complain about canon regardless of what is or isn't done.

 

Please. Consistency is important.

Yup. Except, TMP is still true Trek, somehow.

That wasn't the point of the story told.