If there are officers like O'Neill in the Air Force then Starfleet can have Mariners.
Do we all love Lower Decks because we don't take it seriously???
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Man, I have a lot of complicated feelings about this movie!
The story is ambitious, which I appreciate, and it’s a good Kirk/Spock/McCoy movie. The execution and some of the odd choices make it rough in spots but it’s not a bad watch, or at least, not as bad as it is sometimes labeled. It’s better than most of the TNG movies!
Fixed that for you.
I do not.
Yeah the Kirk/Spock/McCoy stuff is lovely and I like that Shatner treats Enterprise like an old sailing ship, and of course they go where no one has gone before which too few Trek films actually do. But damn it's incredibly ropey in places.
What an intriguing monkey wrench of a statement!
Although I'm having problems accepting the analogy in a strict sense, I certainly recognize a legitimacy to it. When I ask myself why I enjoy both V and LD so much, the answer is very much the same: they add that very essential human aspect called 'playfulness' to the Trek universe.
Thank you F. King David, for that brilliant observation.
And yeah, none of the TNG movies stand a chance against ST:V (or any other of the TOS motion pictures for that matter).
Aztually, I think LD would be a much better shoe if it took itself, it’s characters, and stories more seriously. This fence riding is not good for the show.
It’s a comedy, no, it’s an action adventure, short changes both sub genres. Either hire some good comedic actors who can find the funny in a dull script, or hire some writers who know Trek and can write 30 pages of good jokes, or stop with the dull jokes ALL emanating from past Trek shows, and go with action adventure with no permanent deaths or real darkness.
It’s a comedy, no, it’s an action adventure, short changes both sub genres. Either hire some good comedic actors who can find the funny in a dull script, or hire some writers who know Trek and can write 30 pages of good jokes, or stop with the dull jokes ALL emanating from past Trek shows, and go with action adventure with no permanent deaths or real darkness.
That shoe doesn't fit. Do you have a bigger size?
And then it wouldn't be TLD.
If it suddenly did take itself 'seriously' half of TLD disappears. I, for one, think they're doing a great job, since it's the first trek in 20 years I've enjoyed. And why is that?
They build up on the old. It's not all constant, constant, constant callback. It took the established universe and went with it to make something both familiar and new. Female captain, female lead, ensemble cast, variety of skills and cross-department work, the storylines build up to something and we see some changes. (Shelby getting a new ship, the Pakled storyline, Mariner growing as a character, Boimler proving his worth over and over again, Tendi and Rutherford excelling in their skills and relationship).
There were a few moments where it could had opened up a route like The Mandalorian or Picard and just been hamfisting the old guard into the new show but *thankfully* they didn't. Riker appeared a few times, then dipped. Tom Paris, once. It's doing everything nearly as neatly as one could hope for.
To be honest I think it's abysmal with a few good bits (the camping) and much as I think ALL of the TNG movies are crap, they're really not as bad as STV.
Now Lower Decks ? As I've inferred elsewhere - I've stepped in things I liked more. And that's being kind.
Couldn't disagree more. I think they actually perfected their mix of insider Trek callbacks, situational comedy, action-adventure and genuine character moments that began to emerge in the first season and has been at the forefront in the second season. For me the most important factor is that it takes its core characters seriously enough. I get that humor is a subjective thing and jokes will either work for you or fall flat, but I don't see the imbalance you're attesting to the writers' approach to their show.
What is TLD?
Because it’s silly, but not funny, inconsequential, doesn’t take itself seriously enough, and is devoid of any drama — so far? This would not matter to me if the producers didn’t’t bill the show as a comedy, then carpet bomb every episode with”jokes.” .
Every single one of the spins built on the old, with the exception of Ent and DSC,, which are TOS prequels.. Not certain what you mean by “callback,” but LD has done more verbal callbacks in it’s 2 seasons than all the spins, TNG to Ent did total.
And again, ALL of the spins took the existing universe and “went with it.”
Janway was a female captain. Michael Burnham is female lead. TNG, DS9, Voy, and now DSC, are all ensemble cast shows.
I suppose you and I might disagree on the value of what LD storylines build to. By “changes,” do you mean like Riker and Troi getting married and having a kid, or maybe Picard retiring to a vineyard in France, or Seven becoming an intergalactic activist and dating a woman.
I think the only “growth” is in the fact that the crew now knows she’s Freeman’s daughter. That was a good idea and I hope they do more with it. But I see no growth in Mariner herself.
I think Rutherford discovered he likes where he is, but I see no growth in Tendi, although there was some.movement in her relationship with Mariner. Boimler has always been very competent, but socially awkward and insecure. Hasn’t changed.
I don’t care about character growth in a sitcom. To me funny trumps character growth every time. But maybe LD is more in tune with you. If LD, like all the other spins, is concerning itself with things like character growth and storylines always building to something, maybe that’s a reason the show isn’t funny.
And this brings me back to my original point, tha LD should just drop the “comedy” and morph into a light action adventure.
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LD works fine as is. Mariner is learning, painfully at times, jokes land sometimes and sometimes they don't. Seems pretty average.
I want ten more seasons of this show.
Did you mean to say implied, or are you guessing based on what you've heard of the show?
Enjoyment is a subjective thing, but as someone who only started Lower Decks yesterday and binged the first half of season 1, I will freely admit that I enjoyed myself much, much more than with Discovery's launch. I haven't seen Picard yet, but what I have read about it makes me very hesitant to do so. LD might very well end up being my favourite of the new Treks. Yes, it's weird and comical, but boy did I have fun with it. 
How is it possible that Jeffrey Combs gets exponentially funnier with each new role he takes on???
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