News And the Next Animated Reconstruction is...

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by N-121973, Jun 9, 2019.

  1. kirk55555

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    Yeah, I'm more then happy to stick with my old Web of Fear DVD. I'm fine with telesnap reconstructions, and that animation just looks horrible to me, probably the worst one I've seen them do.
     
  2. Haggis and tatties

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    You are crazy, but so am i, because i also enjoyed this. :)
     
  3. Redfern

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    This "look" reminds me what might have been done by Cliff Bowman and his Who3D team intended to achieve in the early to mid 2000s using Poser. No, not DAZ Studio as that suite did not yet exist, but Poser, when version 4 was still held sway. At that time, results like this by an independent team would have been considered a major accomplishment. Now...? (slow inhale through clenched teeth)
     
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  5. thribs

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    Get Blur Studios to animate it. Then we would have something worthy. :)
     
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  6. N-121973

    N-121973 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I'm in two minds whether or not to buy this as I've started buying the Blu-Ray box sets. I assume when they get to season 5 it'll be included there and I don't want to get it twice.
     
  7. Tomalak

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    Galaxy 4 next, coming in November. It's been animated by the team that did Fury From the Deep last year, and it's the traditional 2D style rather than the 3D thing we saw on Web of Fear.
     
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  8. N-121973

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    It's amazing how suddenly these announcements seem to be made. For weeks I've been trawling Amazon for news on when the next Blu-Ray box set was coming out in standard packaging . Now, I find out season 23 is coming out in just two weeks time. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Collection-Season-Blu-ray/dp/B09DLHMZ4X/ref=sr_1_4?crid=PT8O4UCZNHPO&dchild=1&keywords=doctor+who&qid=1631744405&s=dvd&sprefix=d,dvd,207&sr=1-4 Unfortunately season 26 isn't being released the same day. I was hoping we'd get seasons 8 & 14 released in standard packaging in time for Christmas.
    Anyway, another animated reconstruction to add to my list.
     
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  9. Kor

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    I'm really late to this discussion, but I think that's supposed to be light refraction through the hot air and steam coming from the coffee mug in the foreground, lower left. You see that effect again at 1:30.

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  10. Kor

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    Everyone, please excuse the double post, but I finally watched the animated "Web of Fear" episode last night. I'll be honest; I did not like the look of the animation. I thought it looked like a Playstation game cut scene.

    But for some context, one of the extra features on disc 2 is a short video about the animation process for "Web of Fear." They actually went to some effort with fancy motion capture suits for natural-looking human movement. It's unfortunate that they couldn't spend more time on the 3D models, especially the faces, to make the end result look better.

    Kor
     
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  11. Christopher

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    Yeah. I would rather see good cartooning than something that moves realistically but looks bad.
     
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  12. Kor

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    The recent releases with the 2D character animation are definitely not perfect, with the more limited movement looking rather stilted and stiff like puppets or something. But I find them much more aesthetically pleasing than the "Web of Fear" 3D stuff.

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  13. StCoop

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    Frazer Hines has let slip that "The Abominable Snowmen" is next (after G4). I wonder if they'll just ignore the Yellowfaceing or have an Extra putting the story in a historical context?
     
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  14. Kor

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    Since it's animated, maybe they can re-design the characters' facial appearances, except for Thonmi, played by David Spenser aka David de Saram. He was the only actor of Asian ethnicity in the story, being of Sri Lankan descent and birthplace. The other monks were played by Caucasian actors in makeup. At least the voice work should be okay. From the little snippets I've listened to, it seems like the actors just used their normal speaking voices instead of putting on fake Asian accents (thankfully). Edit: I found an online review that says that some of the actors do fake accents, but not all of them.

    Not an animated reconstruction, but in the case of "The Talons of Weng-Chiang," another story with similar issues of problematic racial depiction, the fancy UK blu-ray season set has a tiny footnote on the case and booklet saying "This story contains language that may offend." The US blu-ray set doesn't seem to have that warning anywhere, though. The included documentary "Limehouse," which was carried over from the old DVD release of the serial, does go into real-world prejudices of the era that the story takes place in. I'm not sure if any of the other extra features go into more detail about race in the historical context, etc. I haven't had a chance to delve into those.

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  15. Emperor-Tiberius

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    That one is, notoriously, my favorite recon, and I guess I tolerate it because of its incredibly slow pace. I don't really know how they can live up to that with the vibrant, exhuberant motion that the Norton-style animation exhibit.
     
  16. N-121973

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    In my way of thinking, The Abominable Snowmen starts a story arc that runs through the rest of season five and on for the following eight and a bit seasons. That is TAS' sequel was The Web of Fear, which then placed all supposedly 'contemporary' Earth-based stories in the very near-future (I think a case can be made for Fury From The Deep to enjoy this setting, whilst Enemy of the World and the two Ice Warriors stories were clearly in the farther future) and introducing characters such as the Brigadier and ultimately UNIT (which would debut in The Invasion) and continuing through Jon Pertwee's run until Sarah-Jane Smith's departure in The Hand of Fear near the beginning of Tom Baker's third year. Thereafter, with the exception of Battlefield all present-day Earth-based stories were indeed once more set in the present.
     
  17. Tomalak

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    Ha, UNIT dating opens a whole can of worms!

    I agree that the clear intention was that those stories were set in the near-future, but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

    And then Mawdryn Undead explicitly places all those stories firmly in the early to mid seventies!
     
  18. Christopher

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    Japan's Ultraman franchise did the same thing. The original 1966 series was meant to be set about two decades in the future, with lots of advanced technology and space travel, but subsequent series assumed it had taken place in 1966.
     
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  19. The Wormhole

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    The Lethbridge Stewart novels establish that Professor Travers spent a decade travelling through time, and as a result when he referenced The Abominable Snowmen being "forty years ago" in The Invasion, he meant from his own subjective perspective.
     
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  20. The Nth Doctor

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    That's probably the best retcon I've seen to deal with UNIT dating.
     
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