Hello, long time lurker first time poster here. Apologies if this is in the wrong area but I have a time travel type theory relating to Season 2 with Q not changing the timeline but the comment how time has been broken. I feel that Q changing one trigger event that either prevented a bootstrap paradox or a predestination paradox has done more than changed the timeline and caused this "time has been broken" comment by Seven. We know that the events of BoBW had several knock on consequences, the main ones being: 1) The Borg attempted to assimilate earth in First Contact and travelled back in time. 2) Ben Sisko lost his wife and went on to command DS9 and discover the wormhole. I believe that first issue actually caused first contact with the Vulcans to happen and Starfleet to be formed and without The Enterprise E and her crew, this would never have panned out this way, so the Borg in some way are a crucial catalyst for the formation of the Federation, they even allude to this in Voyager Relativity thanking the Borg however tongue in cheek. The second issue is that without Sisko taking over DS9 and discovering the wormhole and The Dominion the starship Defiant would never have been put into action, without the events of DS9 past tense would never have occurred. In the same way as the above, I suspect that Ben Sisko caused the Bell riots to play out as they did and normally they would not have occurred so there would have been no reform of the sanctuary districts. Spinning out from this, Kira and O'Brien travel back to the very same time that Kirk and Spock are in during the guardian of forever incident. This is again not ever directly stated in universe, but the boxing poster in both episodes was meant to signify they were both in exactly the same era at the same time. I am unsure what impact they may have had being there, but by being there they aided things playing out the way they did and Edith Keeler not dying. Without her death the Nazi regime would have ruled earth. These factors all lead me to believe that if a single event such as the first meeting of the Borg never happens, it will unravel so many other incidents that spun out of this through time travel and altering the future in multiple different ways, not true changes to the timeline as once the timeline has been changed there are no ways to recreate the trigger event as the history and the future of that history have been changed preventing it from ever being "reset." I believe this is why they say time is broken rather than a classic time has been altered, lets go back into the past and fix it in one go romp. I think they may need to recreate several events to steer things back to a similar trajectory which will take the entire season and likely involve multiple points of history. Your thoughts?
I like your creativity and the idea (it reminds me of the final season of SHIELD), but I don't foresee anything as elaborate or complex unfolding in the show. It seems to me that whatever they need to do, it centres on the 21st Century and on our time.
Plot twist: Kira and O'Brien were driving the truck and had to make sure they hit Edith! XD That would be really interesting, seeing several important historical events. It would be similar to the end of Disco S2, where Burnham has to go to all the previous places and times where she previously appeared with the suit. I just hope they don't go too wild and restrict themselves to fictional events XD
I really like the Borg theory. Given that the trailer implies Seven was never assimilated it could certainly be a possibility (although could just be limited to her). Plus, there is a Q connection to the Borg as it was due to him the Enterprise crew encountered them when they did. Perhaps, it's a 'what if Picard never met Q' thing and the Borg are part of that. Perhaps part of 'the Trial' is Q showing Picard what would have happened had they never met, which would be kind of neat as it goes back to the first TNG episode bringing it full circle. Some positives (e.g. the Borg are less of a threat) but it ultimately results in the dystopia seen in the trailer. Given that Tapestry's probably my favourite episode, I'd be up for a season based on a similar premise. The trailer implies that they use the/a Borg Queen to time travel to avert the dystopian society though but it could be classic misdirection. Also, I'm sure in Q Who, Q says that they would have encountered them anyway so maybe the Borg are still known about but not a threat - i.e. big events like Picard becoming Locutus never happened.
The bum who disintegrated himself was actually Sloan in disguise he was beamed away a microsecond before the phaser hit.
Perhaps the Borg had to attack Bozeman before that sphere was destroyed, or some crazy person wouldn't be killed and would cause this drastic change in the timeline. So Picard has to let the Borg get to Bozeman and fire a few shots. Some kind of butterfly effect / COTEOF kind of story, where the lesson is that sometimes, bad things trigger good outcomes and need to happen.
Let me just say a well thought out first post is unicorn like........so welcome to the neighborhood, and I enjoyed your ideas. They seem plausible. I am looking forward to season 2 more and more as we learn more about it.
it still the Trek version of the 21st Century. There's things in that trailer we don't have in real life.
If the Federation never encountered the Borg, then why do they have possession of the Queen (in what looks to be the alternate timeline Daystrom Institute)?
I am assuming that whatever broke time, caused the Federation to go down a much darker path ala the mirror universe and they were able to overcome the Borg with more ease as they were more military themed. This doesn't fit exactly so hence me posting here to try to see what others think could need fixing when the Borg have been beaten which would be a positive change.
Sounds like Nero's incursion and Marcus' more militarily-aggressive Starfleet (or alternatively Yesterday's Enterprise). Instead of Khan, they found the Borg. Not very original, but then again, that might make it the actual plot. I'm hoping for something a bit more complex. Kinda tired of the "evil/dystopic Federation" trope, which has been greatly overused in the last decade -- STiD, Discovery S1 (Mirror U.), Discovery S3 (32nd c. Federation), Picard S1 ("it was no longer Starfleet!").
My head cannon still says VGER and the Borg are linked. The Machine Planet, and all the knowledge accumulated - as well as wanting to physically join machine and human/creator.
My theory is that the person who 'broke time' was Spoiler Mirror Georgiou when the Guardian of Forever took her back in time to when the two universes hadn't split apart yet. Who better than her to create an alternate prime universe where the Federation is totalitarian?
When did they ever establish the two universes ever being one, let alone a time period where a split occurred? They were completely separate as far back as ENT. (Although, a fan film did give a nice explanation for the split having taken place back around the formation of the US.) Either way, I don't think Georgiou ever went back that far. I guess I really don't understand what you are implying.