Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by NewHeavensNewEarth, Feb 6, 2020.

  1. Tim Thomason

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    It seems the dedication plaque wasn't present in "The Cage" and first shows up in "Where No Man Has Gone Before," so we can perhaps assume a new plaque is given before every five year mission (sure, why not?) or at least updated at the whims of the Captain (a la the Titan novels which implied that the Captain chooses the quote).

    The Black and Silver Dedication Plaque was either April's or Pike chose it for his first five-year mission, and the updated bronze one I guess we can assume he chose for his second five-year mission. Maybe related to an update of the bridge (he likes those) and to match with a lighter color scheme. The main difference is that it specifies what type of Starship Class the ship is (:rolleyes:), which some ships do (Shenzhou, Discovery), and some ships don't (Franklin, Enterprise in various timelines). Kirk, upon taking over or before his five-year mission, will keep the gold/bronze color scheme, but remove all the pesky names and go for a bare-bones aesthetic, which seems to become the norm until the 2290s at least (Enterprise-B brought back names, although it was a lot less and more organized than the long lists seen in the NX Enterprise and Discovery era ships).

    I once went into a long theory on the origin of the "where no one has gone before" quote (that I can't find), presuming at the time that it comes from Kirk's log entry at the end of Star Trek VI which was affected by the events of that movie and the lesson of having a less-than-human-centric attitude going forward. Unfortunately, the Enterprise dedication plaque from Discovery Season 2 disproves that notion, and it seems that Pike may have either coined it, or someone else did between 2119 (when Zefram Cochrane seems to invent the phrase "where no man has gone before") and ~2256. Perhaps Kirk is quoting Pike in his log entry in Star Trek VI, or at the very least, the dedication plaque at the time he took over the ship before having the quote sandblasted off (and eventually replaced with the correct Cochrane version of the quote). Maybe Pike had the quote changed to "where no one..." when he realized he needed to get used to having more than just men on the bridge.
     
  2. dinzy

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    Or it was taken down for cleaning or repair due to a recent incident. Or we just don't freeze expectations to a pilot episode that had to be completely reworked to get a series order.
     
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  3. Tim Thomason

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    Are you arguing that it's the same dedication plaque in Discovery and TOS? I mean, sure, maybe, just visually rebooted or whatever. I just prefer the idea that they update dedication plaques, perhaps on the whim of the Captain, and the fact that it went unseen in "The Cage" means that (while it was being cleaned/repaired) it could even still be the black-and-silver "Where No One Has Gone Before" plaque in 2254. Almost certainly is, in fact, because of "Q & A" and it's near-identical DiscoPrise bridge (although the dedication plaque is unseen in any of the three shorts, and only appeared in "Such Sweet Sorrow").
     
  4. Isaac Lawrence

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    Yes, character development is part of the plan, I believe.

    Alex Kurtzman from last year...
    Emotional serialization is apparently going to be the character development.

    It makes sense. If something traumatic happens to someone on planet "X" one week, then it carries over to the next week.

    Anyway, at this point the only characters that I'm interested in are Spock and Number One. And of the newly announced characters, Babs Olusanmokun is about the only one that I'm curious about. Apparently he's a master of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, so perhaps he'll utilize that in his role in Strange New Worlds.

    It seems that he's going to be a fairly prominent member of the cast whatever his role may be. Because he's the first one that they talk about, and I guess that counts for something.

    Hopefully he's a human character, because he has an interesting look, and I'd hate for them to cover him up in some alien prosthetics and make-up.
     
  5. fireproof78

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    Well, he could be human looking alien. Not like Trek hasn't done that before.
     
  6. Nerys Myk

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    How is he at Kirk-Fu though?
     
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    garakvsneelix Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Yepp - and that's the reason, why I normally prefer longer seasons - irrespective of the ongoing arc's quality.

    And then again, there's not only the story but also the discourse ;)

    Of course, two different series have two different production processes. But at the end, the product itself, was very similiar in this point: Both of them gave enough time to the story arc to increase, before they really jumped into it.
     
  9. Serveaux

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    As distinct from the outdated kludge they used in STD?

    I mean, if you think there was anything modern or stylish about the Discoprise....:rolleyes:

    Hopefully they'll refine the ship's detail a great deal for the series and dump a lot of the ugly dumb stuff - much of it inappropriate callbacks to older versions 9f the ship. Even STD improved their hero ship a great deal between the first and second years.

    They can do something about those unimaginative bridge graphics, too - who reads giant rotating images of the ship in every direction you look as functional displays providing information to anyone?
     
  10. Tuskin38

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    The TOS design is outdated, I'm sorry.

    The DSC design certianlly looks better than then the TOS Enterprise in the context of the 21st century, and fits in the lineage of the movie Refit better.

    It's Star Trek, when have any of the displays ever been functional?

    They won't. It's not the 60s anymore.
     
  11. cooleddie74

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    Well, it's not outdated and would require little more than what ENT did to the Defiant in "In A Mirror Darkly, Parts I and II" to make it shine on a 2021 or 2022 screen. I keep hearing some fans say it's archaic, outdated and obsolete but don't give good reasons why the external appearance of the ship is any of those. Frankly if the DSC Enterprise had straight TOS pylons and the right hull font it'd be about 95% of the way there.
     
  12. fireproof78

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    It doesn't quite look like a possible ship design. It's darn close but not 100% there for me. The biggest part is probably the nacelle caps and the deflector dish.
     
  13. cooleddie74

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    Some of them don't bother me but too many console readout displays in Kurtzman Trek are overengineered visual noise. And too blue. It's as if the producers were told to use the color blue to obnoxious levels or be fired.
     
  14. Tuskin38

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    I agree.
     
  15. Lord Garth

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    I don't have anything against the TOS Enterprise, but they needed an Enterprise that looked like it would belong in DSC, especially since the Discovery and the Enterprise were supposed to be contemporaries of each other. Ships from around the same time shouldn't look too dramatically different from each other.

    "Then they should've made Discovery look more like TOS!" But they didn't. What was done was done. So, given that, they needed an Enterprise that wouldn't look like it was out-of-place.

    Since Strange New Worlds doesn't have to match Discovery's look -- being that it's an entirely separate series now -- they'll probably try to make it look closer to TOS than before, but, yeah, anyone who wants them to do what the previous regime did with "In a Mirror Darkly" is better off watching New Voyages.
     
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  16. fireproof78

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    Indeed, yes.
     
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  17. Tuskin38

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    I was also going to say Continues, but then I remembered who ran that show.
     
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  18. Tim Thomason

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    They used to, mostly in TOS and early TNG to save money, but not anymore. Modern Trek will always feature new, unique designs for aliens, or even redesign them if they're too human-looking.

    *watches latest season of Discovery and learns Book is a Kwejian*

    Damn it. Nevermind.
     
  19. NCC-73515

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    Continues was amazing, but I'm sure only fans can really enjoy it
     
  20. Serveaux

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    That's it? That's your best defense for this stuff?

    Not good enough.