Reunion: Proof of Worf's Innocence

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Kei Fox, Mar 10, 2021.

  1. Timo

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    Or at least they were nowhere to be seen. But naturally they would give the two fighters the room they needed; perhaps we just missed them, for the same reason the duelists' blades missed them?

    Backing out of a fight wouldn't win any points for K'Ehleyr. If she doesn't defend herself, again it's her own damn fault for dying, in the general case. But clearly there are rules to this kill-your-boss-for-promotion thing that allow the boss to turn down the challenge or it wouldn't work in practice: presumably you need to climb up a hierarchy ladder with duel after duel before you get to challenge the Big Boss directly.

    That is, if the Gunner's Mate 3rd Rate, rather than the XO or the Second Officer, challenges the Captain directly, or lowly Worf marches to the Chancellor himself with a blade drawn, the boss must have the option to delegate the fight to bodyguards without losing honor himself. It's in special circumstances only where the boss will benefit from humoring the challenger - and I'd think those situations where the accusations of the challenger are true usually warrant the "humoring" simply so that the accusations can be silenced. Merely having the bodyguards beat the offender to death, either en masse or in a series of honorable duels, might leave lingering doubt, but in a "proper", trial-by-God duel the truth of a weakling dies with the weakling.

    The people watching over the quarrel of Quark and D'Ghor in "House of Quark" were initially happy to have truth settled by sword, say. Quark had to find just the right mixture of not-quite-surrender, not-quite-fight to convince the court otherwise. K'Ehleyr couldn't have weaseled out of it that way.

    As for fighting skills, hard to tell. Worf uses the clumsy bat'leth which really puts the fighter at a disadvantage ("Birthright" sorta suggests it's a farming implement turned into a weapon by the downtrodden serfs or something, and then beatified because Kahless and legend and tradition), while Duras chooses what's basically a single-edged broadsword with greater reach and ease of offensive use. Worf wins by parrying, the fight being a contest of endurance first and foremost. I'd think Duras would have the endurance advantage over K'Ehleyr if the two dueled the same way, or in fisticuffs or wrestling or whatever; K'Ehleyr might have the advantage in a knifefight. But backstabbing? I don't see evidence for this being Duras' style. Sure, he's a politician, but even his exact counterpart Gowron ultimately yields to dueling tradition, at least in public. And K'Ehleyr's quarters are as public as the Great Hall in practice.

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  2. Swedish Borg

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    The moment he started fighting with Worth, Duras was completely skewered.
     
  3. johnnybear

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    And his return to Klingon honour would come with the season ending and Fifth series opener Redemption! :klingon:
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  4. Timo

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    ...Emphasizing how fleeting such things are, and how easy it would be for him to fall from grace again. Such as in DS9.

    It's a bit odd that Kurn would care so much, as he should know better how the Klingon society works and how the disgraced can keep on working in the shadows and biding their time easily enough. Worf would be the one to dramatically attempt suicide or other such romantic nonsense.

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  5. Swedish Borg

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    Worf tried to kill himself once in "Night Terrors" and asked Riker to help him kill himself in "Ethics".
     
  6. Oddish

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    Remember the exchange between Picard and Kurn in "Sins of the Father". Kurn laments that Worf is accepting discommendation on his behalf, that he was prepared to die. Picard reminds him that the name of his father must someday be redeemed, and that Kurn must be alive with his honor intact. "Do not forget what he does here today. Do not let your children forget."

    If Kurn knew the diplomatic long game, it's because he had a good teacher.
     
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  7. Swedish Borg

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    I'll never understand Klingons. Nothing is worse than death.
     
  8. Oddish

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    Missing out on Sto-vo-kor. If you're a Klingon, that sucks donkey balls.
     
  9. Swedish Borg

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    Sto-vo-kor. is overrated.
     
  10. Oddish

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    So is gagh, blood wine, pain sticks, and using a bat'leth against foes armed with phasers. But Klingons like these things.
     
  11. Timo

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    Which is exactly why it's odd that Kurn would be the one to go for suicide in "Sons of Mogh" while Worf just wusses out of it several times in a row, only ever seeming to give it serious contemplation when it's out of his control thanks to convenient quadriplegia...

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