What's the worst canon decision in the history of Trek?

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  1. Nyotarules

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    Yeah it can be retconned like that but based on the whole plot at the time, I suspect Dr Lester wanted to be a Starfleet captain and thought the only way was to body swap with her ex.
    The last line 'her life could have been as complete as any woman'...what the hell is that supposed to mean?
     
  2. Oddish

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    It means that human beings have made a lot of progress, socially speaking, since the 1960's. Let's celebrate that instead of trying to fit it into canon.
     
  3. Swedish Borg

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    I am more annoyed at Shatner's terrible impression of a woman. Wasn't there a director or something to tell him to put a lid on it?
     
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    To be fair, Janice Lester did seem unhinged while she was in her own body, so I don't think it was much of a stretch seeing Shatner play as her while Janice inhabited his body.
     
  5. fireproof78

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    Put a lid on someone who is supposed to be crazy? :vulcan:
     
  6. Nerys Myk

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    This assumes the director thought there was something wrong with the performance.
     
  7. Swedish Borg

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    I don't get "crazy", I get "preteen brat at the mall".

    Picture Shatner as a little girl (or even a little boy for that matter) who's just been refused something by their parents.
     
  8. fireproof78

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    Ok...people can still act crazy and appear to be regressive too. It's not like "crazy" as one set way of acting.
     
  9. Swedish Borg

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    Well, I guess in the end it's a matter of opinion but to me, it's a combination of bad acting, bad directing, and bad storytelling. Even the ending is stupid. The woman is guilty of mass murder and they treat her like she was some poor hysterical woman. Revolting.
     
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  10. Oddish

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    I can just imagine William Shatner screaming and throwing a tantrum on the floor...
     
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  11. The Wormhole

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    Don't know about the torpedoes, but Enterprise having a transporter and being more "regular Trek instead of a prequel" are because of studio interference. Berman and Braga did want an authentic prequel to the point the first season of the show was to be set entirely on Earth or the Sol system, but Paramount told them "No, that's not Star Trek." Likewise, they at first didn't want the transporter to be in the show at all, but again Paramount came down and said "Star Trek has to have a transporter."
     
  12. fireproof78

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    It's a terrible story but I don't lay that on the actors.
     
  13. Oddish

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    Then for once, I agree with Rick Berman.

    Not sure about a whole year of prep, but a few episodes might have worked, as long as they had some space travel, either in system or on a Vulcan ship. And yes, Enterprise could have featured transporters, but only when the Enterprise encounters aliens who are more advanced than them. They could have even made it a running gag: Trip or Reed keeps trying to develop a transporter prototype, but it never works. Whenever they beam something (always an inanimate object), the item always winds up exploding or splattering or dissolving into dust.
     
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  14. Hofner

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    That was going to be a six episode arc in Enterprise's 5th season along with an eight episode arc explaining the TNG Romulan foreheads.

    Robert
     
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    That's how I always took it, from the first time I watched it as a little kid. I was surprised when I learned of the other interpretation some had.
     
  16. CorporalCaptain

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    It's hard for me to pick a very "worst canon decision in the history" of Star Trek, but the dialog of "Turnabout Intruder" would be in my list of five worst, for sure.

    Another entry on my list of five worst decisions would include the execution of TOS-R. The new VFX are problematic, not all shots, but more than enough for it to be an overall bad decision. Also, I cringe every time I listen to the remix of the season two and season three themes.

    Watching Star Trek V in the theater was a real downer, so that film's on the list.

    The augment virus would make four. I mean, the actual mistake is offering an explanation in-universe for the change in Klingon appearance from the way they were in TOS.
     
  17. The Wormhole

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    While I agree they got a bit overzealous with TOSR, and it certainly can be jarring watching high quality 2000s CGI between very distinctively 1960s looking live action footage. But I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call it a "mistake." The originals are still available, and indeed are included on the TOSR Blu-ray sets. I view TOSR as a diverting alternative, it can be somewhat interesting to see a new take on TOS episodes, such as it is. Besides, they didn't really do anything that Ships of the Line calendars weren't already doing with TOS scenes for several years prior, and continue to do over a decade later.
     
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  18. F. King Daniel

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    Agreed on TOS-R. It was this weird halfway revisionist thing, unsatisfying as an update (Discovery went all in, for example) or a recreation in HD. I wish they'd just made exact copies of the 17 (or however many there were) original shots like Star Trek Continues did early on, with a CG model scaled to the size of the original studio miniature. And no weird faceless officers in the windows.
     
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  19. trekshark

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    I can handle the tech changes but the klingons looking so completely different really bothers me
     
  20. fireproof78

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    Give me all the Klingon changes in the world if it means actually diversifying the freaking Klingon Empire!
     
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