Characters you’d like to see again...

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  1. Tim Thomason

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    I don't know if Jadzia is in Sto-Vo-Kor, despite Worf's best efforts. Apparently, Trill souls are somehow attached to their symbiont and just chill out of sight forever. That's what Gray, formerly Gray Tal, seems to have done.
     
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  2. Swedish Borg

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    Symbionts retain memories of their former hosts, that doesn't mean that the hosts survive.

    From an outsider's point of view, there is no noticeable difference between a person's essence and the sum of their memories. From the inside, it's totally different, the former means that there is a continuity of self-awareness, the latter the prime awareness is gone and a simulation has taken its place.
     
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  3. JirinPanthosa

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    Facets seemed to look like it was the real Curzon.

    Maybe there’s a difference though between the host and the symbiont’s memory of the host.
     
  4. Swedish Borg

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    Lela said that her last memory was of being in Curzon's Zientara (sp?) and that means that at most a host gets to live a couple of hours every thirty years or so on average!. Which seems like very little IMO. But if it's just the memories then that would explain why the hosts are not more concerned about only existing for such a short period of time.

    Now though, can we really tell the difference between a good simulation of something and the real thing? Not unless you can read minds.

    The Curzon host gets to exist through Odo's mind but IMO it's really Odo thinking he's Curzon or more precisely a combination of Odo and Curzon.
     
  5. JirinPanthosa

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    We can't tell the difference between a simulation and the real thing, but maybe the simulation can. Like Jadzia could be in Stovokor but the memory imprint could be in Dax.
     
  6. Delta Vega

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    Bring back the Gaseous Cloud from "Obsession"
    Or Nomad from "The Changeling", even though he got firmly zapped into space
    Maybe he had a brother
     
  7. JirinPanthosa

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    Adult Naomi might be interesting as long as they don’t only brig her back to kill her to motivate Seven.

    Also I’d be really interested to see what happened to the Vidians. They spent all that time murdering people then once they didn’t need to probably remembered it was a bad thing. That’s an interesting reparations debate.
     
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  8. tesral

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    Ruth. The lost love from Shore Leave. She shows up as an important passenger on a ship that needs help. Older and wiser.
     
  9. Boris Skrbic

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    But that’s a tried and true stock mechanism allowing a character to get into an episode and get out by the end. We don’t want that. The whole point to bringing back Ruth (Cartwright) would be to make the character stand on her own, and only as a side effect of characterization illustrate why it couldn’t work out between her and Kirk, without ever serving fans and mentioning Kirk by name (to her, he’s just history).

    Those in the know would get it as subtext, those out of the know would simply follow an interesting main character on SNW, the Federation Council representative on Pike’s missions of exploration and first contact, who for once isn’t a passenger with their own agenda.
     
  10. Swedish Borg

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    Maybe his brother is called Mad. You know, Mad and Nomad...:D
     
  11. Swedish Borg

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    How about Naomi's daughter that we see in Endgame?
     
  12. Laughing Dragon

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    I would like to see what happened with Tam Elbrum if that's how you spell it. I know you weren't supposed to like him (at least I think). Data can meet up with him now that he has emotions. He can find out if he is well and truly happy merging with tinman. Data may be able to understand it more though Data came through for him anyway. That's the charm of Data. Won't happen, though.
     
  13. Swedish Borg

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    Well, Data's dead now, so you'd have to bring him back to life first.
     
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  14. Laughing Dragon

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    It depends what you consider canon I guess. In the IDW comic 'Countdown' Data comes back to life. According to Trek headquarters it's considered canon. Haven't watched Picard so that may have altered it. Anyway slim chance it will happen anyway. :/
     
  15. Swedish Borg

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    It's funny that even after Generations where he used the emotion chip Data would still be a fish out of water emotionwise. Not getting the jokes and not participating in the humor of a situation.
     
  16. Laughing Dragon

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    Yeah... I think he has the humanity of a child at times from that of a childlike wonder of an android. His humor is more that of a kids and certain jokes from other crewmembers may go over his head, even though in films they tried to give him humor.
     
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  17. Arpy

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    This actually annoyed me. I felt like we were getting comic relief Data, or some figure other than the one we got to know over seven years. I would have preferred to see this intermediate person who was between TNG Data and “All Good Things...” future Data who seems more mature and developed.
     
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  18. tesral

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    I would want them crossing paths. Needing to deal with unfinished business.
     
  19. Swedish Borg

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    Plus future Data shows some annoyance at his housekeeper's rudeness, mentions that she makes him laugh (IIRC). So he obviously has emotions and has mastered them.
     
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  20. Laughing Dragon

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    Loved that. Though, I would think greying your hair a whole white corner of your head would make him more odd than distinguished. Data is still Data even with his emotions, lol. I don't think that should ever be completely gone.