Spoilers WandaVision discussion thread

A wizard did it.

 

I make it a point to watch the entire end credits, especially in a theater.
If I was involved in a production, even a minor role, I would hope someone might read my name instead of just dashing back out to the car.
TV is sometimes a little problematic, to maximize time they cheat the screen to a corner and roll the next show, overlapping the two.

 

Last week, Elizabeth Olsen was TVLine's performer of the week, this week it was Kathryn Hahn.

https://tvline.com/2021/03/06/kathryn-hahn-wandavision-performance-finale-agatha-harkness/amp/

 

Back in the day I hung out with a group that included Jim Van Over, who later went on to work for Star Trek. We would always clap when his name came up in the credits.

 

I don't think he is as new as that--between his original movie and Infinity War, he was probably studying magic for thousands of years via the time stone.

 

So you did it before MCU made it cool for everyone else to do it.

 

What? An old "Son Of Satan" Marvel comic from the mid-70s?

Oh and this guy has the Marvel Twitter fans pegged (although for the myself and most of the others I see posting in this thread - while we thought a lot of the same stuff - I wasn't disappointed by what we got by the end of this series):
https://collider.com/wandavision-problems-cameos-teasers/

 

The way I gathered it, the Sorcerer Supreme can only use the Time Stone in extreme times. Not to simply study a lot in a short time.

 

I don't think that would matter much to Strange. In Infinity War he explored all possible timelines in a matter of moments. He could certainly use the same power to study and learn magic--he's the Sorcerer Supreme.

 

If he had to look uptime through a potential timeline, he then snaps back to the present, to then look uptime through another timeline. In real time, that would take months, to years to check out each potential timeline, multiplied by more than a million timelines.

The time stone is keeping him young, when he should be several million months older, unless he was casting his astral form into the future, which would not age.

The time stone has fortifying his mind, to keep track of what happened in those million timelines, unless he didn't need to bother to remember all the failures. Just keep ticking through the losses to Thanos until they strike a victory.

But if the time stone makes you think that everything you have ever did is always happening now, that means that Stephen doesn't have to remember anything, because he's always reading every spell he has read and every spell he will ever read.

 

Just because that's the usual way TV shows are made. Normally there is only a single season if the show gets cancelled. Unless it's a mini series or something similar.

But yes, I was just assuming there was going to be a next season. Of course the streaming of media has changed everything. I need to catch up.

 

C-List Movie actors.

TV is harder work, for less money, but it's reliable money that can last for years and years.

If Liz had a choice, she'd make one movie or a year rather than 20 episodes of tv, or 10 movies rather than 200 episodes of of even a great show.

I don't think any of these Actors had a choice.

Disney probably offered them more movies, and maybe even non marvel movies if they do these Disney plus thingys, because the world is broken and cross platform synergy.

After this, Elizabeth can probably double her ask to make a movie.

Totally B-List now.

 

For a reputed total production cost of about $175 million for nine episodes, I think a pretty decent 2 to 3-hour Scarlet Witch movie could be edited from them as there was a fair bit of filler and fluff. I don't think I want to watch the series again but I would watch an edited-down movie version.

The post final credits scene implied a possibility of a continuation but the series could well remain a standalone that sets up the forthcoming Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel movies.

I think the directors missed a trick in not frightening Dottie with a bunny (jk).

 

I don't think he would need the time stone, between the Dr. Strange movie and Thor Ragnarok are only 2 other movies there are only Guardians 2 and Spiderman 1 and Strange shows considerable more power and knowledge in his demeanor and use of magic. He effortlessly plays around with Loki, who himself is no noob to magic.

Remember how Strange learned via his Astral body while his physical body slept and regenerated? The same thing Wanda does in the end credits - if Strange did this for an extended time after his movie and he has full access to any magical library it is safe to assume that within a year or two he would have greatly improved just by fact that he is a knowledge and skill maniac.

So right now, even with Wanda catching up on the theoretical front, i'd give it to Strange in a straight up magical fight. However Wanda has tremendous raw magical power and she only used a fraction of it without study, kind of like a natural athlete. Once she gains the theory and skills she could well become a serious threat that Strange has to deal with which could very well be a plot point for Dr. Strange 2.

 

A mental projection isn't an astral form, but in a 1980s Claremont issue of New Mutants, Chuck Xavier said that he can projected 20 mental avatars simultaneously.

How many Astral forms can these sorcerers generate?

A thousand Stephens reading a thousand books at the same time.

Retention is the issue.

The Flash loses knowledge from speed reading after an hour... But Impulse (in the comics 20 years ago) doesn't.

Wally West is white again.

No more lip service to the CW?

 

The production team, and crew will stay together.

The actors will move on.

The production team and support crew will be tasked with an all new, all different Marvel Character to jouzz up.

They will produce 6 to 12 episodes of something Marvel every year.

 

I understood this to be a nine part mini-series. They had a story to tell, one which closed some things from the earlier films and set up some things for films to come.
This production was so well made I hated to see it end and would have loved to see more, but WandaVision accomplished what to was supposed to do. I think having a story set in nine parts with a solid structure and a finite ending really helped it do so well. The first two episodes could have been shorter and possibly combined, but they set the stage for this pocket universe Wanda created and each episode jumping ten years or so provided a nice framework (!) for the evolving story. What I really enjoyed was the slightly dark twists and the calling out of some of the tropes ("what exactly does this company actually produce?") was terrific. The sitcom world provided a unique backdrop to the larger story and for me it was just as important.

 

How did everyone feel about how Vision managed to resolve the conflict with a philosophical, intellectual conversation once he realized that they were too equally matched in power?

Myself, I loved it.

Some folks might see it as anticlimactic, but I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a Big Budget CBM that ends with the Hero negotiating things philosophically with the "Villain" now.

I know WW1984 tried that, but still.

 

It was a nice touch and this time it actually works because he's doing it to himself. When he tried to do something similar with Ultron it was meaningless to Ultron.

 

As I said in my review, I absolutely loved it. The dueling went from lasers, phasing, and general destruction of Westview (which was fun on its own) to a philosophical discussion because of course the ultimate battleground between two sentient synthezoids would be about higher thinking instead of just slugging it out.