David Cronenberg's character

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by JRoss, Dec 9, 2020.

  1. Nerys Myk

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  2. Sci

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  3. Mr. Laser Beam

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    IIRC, Vance once said that the civilian government of the Federation was also located in the same complex. So he's not usurping anything. It's not a military dictatorship or anything like that.
     
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  4. Blue Squadron

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    Oh, I'm well aware of that -- for context, see the comment to which I was replying...! :hugegrin:
     
  5. Yistaan

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    I wouldn't put too much weight on Kovich's combadge indicating whether he is or isn't President. This is the same production team that told us that Yeoman Colt was now the spiky alien lady on the Enterprise after all.
     
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    Things are what they are until they are retconned otherwise.
     
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    Apples and oranges. Regardless what the situation is with Colt and whether she is or isn't an alien, I highly doubt Kovich was given a unique comm badge on a whim. Everything about the character seems very deliberate and intentional, even though those intentions may not be explained to the audience.
     
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    It's better when everything isn't explained perfectly to the audience.
     
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  12. Yistaan

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    Book: You're a Starfleet officer, aren't you?

    Kovich: What makes you think that?

    Book: I saw your combadge. Only Starfleet officers wear that.

    Kovich: Perhaps I killed a Starfleet officer and took it from them.

    (a Star Wars homage that also restores all of Kovich's mystery and menace that he lost after it was revealed he had nothing to do with Mirror Georgiou's illness)
     
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  13. The Wormhole

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    Vance (shaking head): He didn't.
     
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    Vance was the Starfleet officer that Kovich killed, we've never seen the real Vance, the guy on Discovery is an android or a changeling under Kovich's control. :eek:

    And really, Vance of all people should be aware of Starfleet's infamous history spanning centuries of being infiltrated by alien scorpions, changelings, Romulan cult fanatics, speciests (looking at you Admiral Cartwright), Mirror universe impostors (he even met one!), just rotten people who shouldn't have passed a cadet psych exam, etc.
     
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    Are we all just bored now that S3 has ended...?

    Do we need an outlet for weird c conspiracy theories now that 45 has gone...?!

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    I have loved conspiracy theories since I was 8.
     
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    Remember when Tyler being Voq was a weird conspiracy theory? :klingon: Or, you know, Lorca being from the Mirror Universe? :O
     
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    Tyler never struck me as weird (that I can recall). Lorca was more of a surprise and a minor annoyance. It worked well enough.

    Conspiracy theories are fun. Hell, one of my favorite books was all about the JFK assassination and the various theories around that. Had fun in my civics class in high school.
     
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    I'm absolutely fine with the idea of Yeoman Colt turning out to be an alien. Maybe there's a story there! Maybe the Enterprise had an adventure with a body-swapping machine that placed Colt's mind into the body of an alien! Or maybe Colt was always an alien, and was able to hide that info in her heard from the Talosians! Or maybe this, or maybe that.

    Like, I seriously don't mind them retconning or complicating the story behind a misogynistically-written cardboard cutout of a character that only appeared in one episode (and its bottleshow flashback) fifty years ago.
     
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    Same as the Klingons, she always looked like that and 1960's TV's just weren't good enough to see it ;)